DSSI Engraving Folder / EE Announcement - Engraving Etc. Forum

<body> <h1>Full Version: <a href="https://www.engravingetc.org:443/archive/index.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.122">DSSI Engraving Folder / EE Announcement</a></h1><a name="a3725_122"></a><p><b>From: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.122">#122</a>]<br /> 7 May 2006<br /><b>To: EncompassTech</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.44">#44</a>] 8 May 2006</p> <div class="quotetext" id="quote"><b>quote: </b></div><div class="quote">Also, if David allows money to influence what he says then he should also not be accepting any type of discounts, free samples, free equipment, free trials, favors etc. of any type as those can also just as easily make him biased. <br /> </div><br /> <br /> Cherie,<br /> <br /> No such potentially-bias-producing offers have been made, or accepted.<br /> <br /> Companies run discounts and specials all the time. Running a special, especially for our group, (as is being done on DSSI) isn't fuel for bias.<br /> <br /> <div class="quotetext" id="quote"><b>quote: </b></div><div class="quote">I absolutely couldn't believe my eyes when I saw that there has been so few donations to something so valuable to so many forum owners.<br /> </div><br /> <br /> Thank you, once again, for making my case. <hr /><a name="a3725_123"></a><p><b>From: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.123">#123</a>]<br /> 7 May 2006<br /><b>To: Zonas</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.45">#45</a>] 7 May 2006</p> <div class="quotetext" id="quote"><b>quote: </b></div><div class="quote">For example I haven't been on for weeks, and just discovered this thread, so 22 cents a day would have been wasted, if I was paying.</div><br /> <br /> Zona,<br /> <br /> Do you own a dictionary?<br /> <br /> When's the last time you used it?<br /> <br /> When you did have occasion to use it, did you find the information you were looking for?<br /> <br /> Was your dictionary a waste of money?<br /> <br /> <div class="quotetext" id="quote"><b>quote: </b></div><div class="quote">Hopefully when it becomes offical paid subscription an email could be sent to members letting us know we only have 2 weeks to decide. Not requiring us search through this thread or others to discover it.<br /> </div><br /> <br /> Our registered members will be made aware of the change in format, with 30 days to make their decision.<p class="edit_text">EDITED: 7 May 2006 by DGL</p> <hr /><a name="a3725_124"></a><p><b>From: precisionlaser</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.124">#124</a>]<br /> 7 May 2006<br /><b>To: LaZerDude (C_BURKE)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.117">#117</a>] 7 May 2006</p> Thank you...I thought I kinda rambled a bit. <hr /><a name="a3725_125"></a><p><b>From: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.125">#125</a>]<br /> 7 May 2006<br /><b>To: EncompassTech</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.47">#47</a>] 8 May 2006</p> <div class="quotetext" id="quote"><b>quote: </b></div><div class="quote">You're kidding, aren't you? <br /> <br /> You are saying a lurker is going pay you to come out and tell the "go getters" of the industry all of their secrets? Personally this would be the last place I would be willing share information. I would be expecting to get more information as a lurker now that I have to pay to lurk.</div><br /> <br /> Cherie,<br /> <br /> Your statement, sounds as if you possess incontrovertible evidence to the contrary.<br /> <br /> <div class="quotetext" id="quote"><b>quote: </b></div><div class="quote">Actually that's one of the reasons I moved away from Delphi... they were making us, the people who run the forums, pay more for the privilege of making them money by getting them more memberships. Sorry but that idea didn' t float my boat there/then and I would be surprised if it floats anyones boat here either.</div><br /> <br /> To this day, I maintain a DelphiPlus membership. I rarely visit, but I'm happy to have their valuable product at my disposal, when needed.<br /> <br /> I don't begrudge them charging for their service. <hr /><a name="a3725_126"></a><p><b>From: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.126">#126</a>]<br /> 7 May 2006<br /><b>To: Dave Jones (DAVERJ)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.48">#48</a>] 7 May 2006</p> Dave,<br /> <br /> As our Most Valuable Newcomer, I truly appreciate your input, here and across the entire forum.<br /> <br /> If I hadn't already seen pay forums succeed, I'd be less confident about my decision.<br /> <br /> I'm well aware of the drop of membership we'll experience. I have no expectation of how many paying members to expect, in the short term.<br /> <br /> Jokingly, I've said, "If we end up with five paying members, we'll build from there." <span class="e_smile" title=":-)"><span class="e__">:-)</span> </span><br /> <br /> After all, I've started from scratch, on two occasions. The second time, was less work than the first; and if you consider the new format, the third start; I expect even less work, in building a strong membership. <hr /><a name="a3725_127"></a><p><b>From: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.127">#127</a>]<br /> 7 May 2006<br /><b>To: sprinter</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.54">#54</a>] 7 May 2006</p> <div class="quotetext" id="quote"><b>quote: </b></div><div class="quote">So far I'm seeing more "Time to move on" comments than "where do I make my payment to" comments.<br /> </div><br /> <br /> Many people choose not to enter the fray. It's not surprising you're not seeing the "where do I make my payments" emails I'm receiving privately. <hr /><a name="a3725_128"></a><p><b>From: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.128">#128</a>]<br /> 7 May 2006<br /><b>To: cardjim (JIMMY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.64">#64</a>] Unread</p> <div class="quotetext" id="quote"><b>quote: </b></div><div class="quote">Don't turn us little guys away.</div><br /> <br /> Jimmy,<br /> <br /> I'm one of the little guys. I don't think you can get smaller than a one-man operation, where wearing all the hats, is a daily occurence.<br /> <br /> I don't call myself a "little guy" because I truly believe, that mindset is counter-productive, to becoming a bigger guy. <hr /><a name="a3725_129"></a><p><b>From: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.129">#129</a>]<br /> 7 May 2006<br /><b>To: sprinter</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.66">#66</a>] 7 May 2006</p> <div class="quotetext" id="quote"><b>quote: </b></div><div class="quote">Possibly a different name should of been used, but consider it a compliment to your great vision.</div><br /> <br /> I fully agree that another name should have been used, but I doubt you had much say in the choice of the name.<br /> <br /> I suspect there's an element of sibling rivalry at play.<br /> <br /> Is that the case? You can be honest; can't you?<br /> <br /> You're anonymous. <hr /><a name="a3725_130"></a><p><b>From: UncleSteve</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.130">#130</a>]<br /> 7 May 2006<br /><b>To: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.127">#127</a>] 7 May 2006</p> Also, there is no reason to see ANY <div class="quotetext" id="quote"><b>quote: </b></div><div class="quote"> "where do I make my payments" </div> until the announcement is made....<br /> <br /> <hr /><a name="a3725_131"></a><p><b>From: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.131">#131</a>]<br /> 7 May 2006<br /><b>To: Rodney Gold (RODNEY_GOLD)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.102">#102</a>] 7 May 2006</p> <p>Rodney,</p> <p>I find it interesting that you, who emphatically states, the (commercial) awards and engraving industry holds no allure and that EE.org holds virtually no value to you personally, would be at the head of the charge against the new format.</p> <p>In case you hadn't seen my previous post, adressing people who feel their contributions are being hijacked, as grist for the new format, I can delete all of your posts, with a single click of a button.</p> <p>I'll do so, at your command, and for those who share your sentiments.</p><p class="edit_text">EDITED: 7 May 2006 by DGL</p> <hr /><a name="a3725_132"></a><p><b>From: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.132">#132</a>]<br /> 7 May 2006<br /><b>To: Zelmon</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.107">#107</a>] 8 May 2006</p> <p>Thank you Simon.</p> <p>I appreciate your perspective from "across the pond" and as a seasoned industry veteran.</p> <p>My only fear for this thread, is that it will replace the "ARA Las Vegas" thread as the longest-running. <span class="e_tongue" title=":P"><span class="e__">:P</span> </span></p><p class="edit_text">EDITED: 7 May 2006 by DGL</p> <hr /><a name="a3725_133"></a><p><b>From: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.133">#133</a>]<br /> 7 May 2006<br /><b>To: Doug (JDOUG5170)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.110">#110</a>] 8 May 2006</p> Thank you Doug.<br /> <br /> We all have our beliefs.<br /> <br /> With or without your presence, we'll continue to proudly carry your link.<br /> <br /> All the best, <hr /><a name="a3725_134"></a><p><b>From: Becky (KIAIJANE)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.134">#134</a>]<br /> 7 May 2006<br /><b>To: ALL</b></p> <p>Hello All,<br /> As a 99% leech, 1% contributor, it is safe for me to say that I have received invaluable tips and advice from from this site. </p> <p> Everyone has always treated me with kindness and answered all of my questions with professionalism and courtesy. </p> <p>I have been "saved" many a time from this forum. <br /> I was also fortunate enough to meet several forum members at the Beach Party in Las Vegas. It was a fantastic opportunity to pick the brains of some of the leading business people in the industry. </p> <p><br /> The question of whether or not I would personally pay for this site is about to be a moot issue as my fledgling business is in the process of disintigrating before my very eyes. </p> <p><br /> I'm not really sure what the point of sharing that opinion in an open forum like this is anyway. I wouldn't hope to influence anyone else's opinion or try to get the moderators to change their minds. People will have to make the decision on their own. Those who realize and need the value of the site will ante up. Those who don't, won't. Simple as that. I am hoping for the sake of all involved, there will be more of the former than the latter.</p> <p><br /> I would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone (especially the fabulous moderators) for all of the help you have given me for the last 8 months. I will miss the camraderie and humor and friendship I have found here. Please know that my exit has nothing to do with the new structure and everything to do with my current business situation. <br /> I may be back once my own "smoke" clears. </p> <p>Now, anyone out there in the market for a whole garage full of trophy parts? LOL </p> <p>Thanks again everyone<br /> good luck in your business.<br /> Becky</p><p class="edit_text">EDITED: 7 May 2006 by KIAIJANE</p> <hr /><a name="a3725_135"></a><p><b>From: Shaddy</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.135">#135</a>]<br /> 7 May 2006<br /><b>To: Becky (KIAIJANE)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.134">#134</a>] 7 May 2006</p> <p>Becky, I think you're missing a good opportunity to get some advice from some good sources. Could be that your chosen area of business isn't pulling the weight, so you need to expand to bring in some more dough. Maybe be more specific on what you're doing, what equipment you have, what area you're located...</p> <p>Not that I myself can help, but we all like hearing the drastically different advice from the forum members. Post it in a new thread, as I don't read all the posts in this thread. </p> <p>Shaddy</p><hr /><a name="a3725_136"></a><p><b>From: precisionlaser</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.136">#136</a>]<br /> 7 May 2006<br /><b>To: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.131">#131</a>] 8 May 2006</p> <p>David,</p> <p>I had to think a little while to understand why I had such a negative reaction to your reply to Rodney. I have this general feeling (and I am sure you'll disagree with me) that you're shooting yourself in the foot with the defensive and unyielding nature of your replies. Rodney has contributed tons of useful and valuable input and if there's anyone on the forum who I'd think would be exempt from any sort of payment, it would be him. In fact, I think you'd do yourself a great favor and pay people like him who bring such a wide breadth of experience to the forum. Now there's a thought...pay for content. You expect the rest of us to pay for it...it might be a good idea for you to do that as well.</p> <p>What saddens me is that I see other ways that this could have been handled with largely the same positive result for you. All of us have enjoyed being part of the forum, but now you are unilaterally changing the value proposition and, in my opinion, ignoring the input that your potential customer base is giving you. If I was you, I'd listen, back up and ask for input on how to achieve your goals. You might find better ideas there, retain more of your potential customer base, and avoid ending up as "Admiral of the Rowboat".</p> <p>For my part, I don't plan on joining the "for pay" site. I do wish you good luck though!</p> <hr /><a name="a3725_137"></a><p><b>From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.137">#137</a>]<br /> 7 May 2006<br /><b>To: LaZerDude (C_BURKE)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.116">#116</a>] 7 May 2006</p> <p>What a poor choice of wording I used. To me it meant one thing, on re-reading it it can easily mean something else.</p> <p>I meant and inclusive, not and statement. In real English that means the replacing the 'and' with an 'IF' reads more properly.</p> <p>Your generous offer will be thought about. It was not a search for someone, but you are making me give it thought. The David's and I will have to see if that is realistic at this moment.</p> <p>Thanks for the offer, it is greatly appreciated.</p> <hr /><a name="a3725_138"></a><p><b>From: Upacreek</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.138">#138</a>]<br /> 7 May 2006<br /><b>To: ALL</b></p> <p>Sheesh, Miss a topic for a few days and spend hours catching up on 133 posts! I'm sure more will come in as I eat dinner and type my response.</p> <p>There have been a lot of well-thought statements and a lot of heated comments. For those of you posting snarky comments, BEHAVE.</p> <p>Advertising banners? Sure. No problem. I ignore them all anyway.</p> <p>Clip art, corporate logos as enticement? Not for me. I design most of my own graphics.</p> <p>Do I learn from this site? Yes and no. I'm an avid reader. I don't apply most responses to my business needs, but merely store facts learned as "mental notes." </p> <p>$99/year? Not without full knowledge of what I am paying for. I have the same concerns that many have expressed. We want to know what we will be paying for BEFORE we pay for it. </p> <p>Deleting people's prior posts from the new pay-only forum? While I fully stand behind any person requesting their posts be deleted if that's what they choose to do, if you do that, you just greatly decreased the value of the forum as a resource.</p> <p>My suggestions? Leave the forum intact and free or at most $30/year as that is what drives many people to visit this site and contribute information. Offer products such as "How to maintain your <insert equipment here>" articles and supplier databases, file downloads etc as items people must pay for to access. </p> <p>If the new format proves to do well and people are paying for the optional services as well as use the forum, then offer a "full service" option where they pay $100/year and can download anything they want.</p> <p>Michel</p><p class="edit_text">EDITED: 7 May 2006 by UPACREEK</p> <hr /><a name="a3725_139"></a><p><b>From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.139">#139</a>]<br /> 7 May 2006<br /><b>To: precisionlaser</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.136">#136</a>] 7 May 2006</p> <p>I told Rodney in a post that he would get a free year for his article, once he approved/disapproved the editing of it to format. You saw the slap in the face he gave me.</p> <p>David's offer to remove his posts were only if Rodney wanted that to happen. Rodney was objecting strongly to his free contributions going on a private site. We were just trying to be courteous and responding to a possible request. Either way on either point, it is entirely Rodney's call. We will do what he wants.</p> <p>TO ALL:<br /> David was right, I should not have let the cat out of the bag on the logos. I was just trying to show that we were working on improvements. The response has seen posts similar to 'Who needs 700 stinking logos, what else are you going to do for me.' Now I know why I usually give his comments a huge amount of thought.</p> <hr /><a name="a3725_140"></a><p><b>From: precisionlaser</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.140">#140</a>]<br /> 7 May 2006<br /><b>To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.139">#139</a>] 7 May 2006</p> <p>Harvey,</p> <p>My point about Rodney was in support of my main point, which was about the approach being taken here and about alternative approaches which I believe would reduce collateral damage. I can't add anything more to my comment, so I won't. It appears that you guys have made up your minds that this is the way it's going to be, so all I can say is good luck.</p> <hr /><a name="a3725_141"></a><p><b>From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.141">#141</a>]<br /> 7 May 2006<br /><b>To: precisionlaser</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.140">#140</a>] 7 May 2006</p> <p>Thanks for your wishes of luck.</p> <p>As far as going private, yes our minds are finally made up. There have been a few threads in the past on the subject that we have analyzed thoroughly to come to the decision. It was a hard set of choices and variations to go through, but we hope we have come to the optimum finalization.</p> <p>We may be wrong, but will never know unless we do it. Who would have thought of taking nearly two years to get it set to go, and then feeling that we need more time? But we are stagnant as only a forum at this time, yes a great forum, but only that. 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