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<body> <h1>Full Version: <a href="https://www.engravingetc.org:443/archive/index.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.79">DSSI Engraving Folder / EE Announcement</a></h1><a name="a3725_79"></a><p><b>From: UncleSteve</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.79">#79</a>]<br /> 6 May 2006<br /><b>To: sprinter</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.75">#75</a>] 6 May 2006</p> While I understand the need for free information and your desire to help promulgate it, I really do think it is in very poor taste for you to continue to promote your brand new forum and solicit members in the very place you are refusing to support.<br /> <br /> David, David and Harvey are much more politically correct than I am... They won't tell you that it is just plain wrong to try to take away the members here. No matter how you try to sugar coat it, that is just what you are trying to do. Get an instant membership.<br /> <br /> Do you also go into other religious institutions to solicit new congregants for YOUR place of worship?<br /> <br /> You have made your point and advertisement in numerous messages. How about giving it a rest for now?<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> "You can build your business by getting more orders from your present customers or work on taking your competitors customers. Just don't do it in your competitors store!"<br /> <br /> <hr /><a name="a3725_80"></a><p><b>From: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.80">#80</a>]<br /> 6 May 2006<br /><b>To: spudislander (WILLM)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.78">#78</a>] 6 May 2006</p> Will,<br /> <br /> I will quote an earlier comment I made.<br /> <br /> <div class="quotetext" id="quote"><b>quote: </b></div><div class="quote">When the dust settles, we hope to build interest over time with the new business model and a foundation of professionals who recognize this as an opportunity to invest in better business tools of which the forum exchange will only be a part of.</div><br /> We plan to make all of our introductions with the unveiling of the website. Like with any business model, we will adapt to the market response and grow from there.<br /> <br /> They didn't build Rome in a day, but once it was finished it was a pretty nice place to be. We hope this is what happens with the EE website, forum and educational events. It will be a great place for award and engraving industry professionals to visit and also use as a resource.<p class="edit_text">EDITED: 6 May 2006 by DATAKES</p> <hr /><a name="a3725_81"></a><p><b>From: Rodney Gold (RODNEY_GOLD)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.81">#81</a>]<br /> 6 May 2006<br /><b>To: spudislander (WILLM)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.78">#78</a>] 6 May 2006</p> Will , Whats the point , David has revealed his real reason for all this , and thats to make a profit out this site as it's owner. The whole altrusitic crusader/free info exchange/people helping people facade has crumbled and the hypocrisy of it all is now evident.<hr /><a name="a3725_82"></a><p><b>From: UncleSteve</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.82">#82</a>]<br /> 6 May 2006<br /><b>To: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.80">#80</a>] 6 May 2006</p> Hey, Nero! Just don't take your fiddle out of the box! <span class="e_confused" title=":S"><span class="e__">:S</span> </span><br /> <br /> <hr /><a name="a3725_83"></a><p><b>From: UncleSteve</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.83">#83</a>]<br /> 6 May 2006<br /><b>To: Rodney Gold (RODNEY_GOLD)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.81">#81</a>] 6 May 2006</p> Rodney,<br /> <br /> David has said this forum would be going subscription from its first day.<br /> <br /> I think "revealed" might be a bit strong since it was never a hidden agenda...<br /> <br /> <hr /><a name="a3725_84"></a><p><b>From: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.84">#84</a>]<br /> 6 May 2006<br /><b>To: sprinter</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.66">#66</a>] 6 May 2006</p> Sprinter,<br /> <br /> Thank you. I've listened to the various comments and agree that a free forum is in order. I'll post a message in the Industry News folder.<br /> <br /> It's my daughter's Sweet 16 Birthday, so I won't be back to the forum until later this evening. <hr /><a name="a3725_85"></a><p><b>From: Barbara (RGILE)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.85">#85</a>]<br /> 6 May 2006<br /><b>To: UncleSteve</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.79">#79</a>] 6 May 2006</p> <p>Wow! I am exhausted just reading all of these posts. Some of you may know me, and some might not, but I have been on this forum as a new small business for a year now, if not longer. I have not paid a cent for any of the advice that I have received, and have been helped many times out of difficult places that I have been in.</p> <p>Most of us can possibly agree that to run something like this takes time and money, and I can bet that most of us would not be volunteering to do it.<br /> So many organizations have workers, and critics (doing nothing).</p> <p>If some of you do not want to join, simply don't do it. David is only asking that you do. He is trying to introduce something to all of us that he believes in, and asking for money in return. If you have a problem with it, then by all means go somewhere else. <br /> None of us like to part with hard earned money, but if it is in the best interest of our business then it is money well spent. I do agree that most of us have given and taken advice for nothing, and it was very much appreciated, but that said, where do you get anything for nothing today.</p> <p>All he is asking is that you give it a try. Even for a month, to see if it is something that you would want to go further with. Most Newbies are hungry for information and are thinking of taking their businesses to a higher level. If they see this as a helpful tool to make that happen, then I personally think they would do it. If it wasn't what they expected, then they can cancel it.</p> <p>Give these Moderators some credit. They aren't going to put everything out there to everyone right now, especially with someone already putting up another forum. (I am also a member of sawmill creek), and will probably be joining this new one also. I want to get the most out of all of the forums out there. (To help my business out) Not to hurt anyone.</p> <p>If I choose to pay for one, then I will. If I do not like it, I can quit. That is what has been proposed and that is what is going to take place. Some will like it, some will not. That's life.</p> <p>I am going to join. I will say, that if it gets clicky or uninformative, then I will not continue, but so far, I love it and plan to stay with it. </p> <p>Barbara <span class="e_grin" title=":D"><span class="e__">:D</span> </span></p> <hr /><a name="a3725_86"></a><p><b>From: UncleSteve</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.86">#86</a>]<br /> 6 May 2006<br /><b>To: Barbara (RGILE)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.85">#85</a>] 10 May 2006</p> Barbara,<br /> <br /> Where were you 84 messages ago? <span class="e_wink" title=";-)"><span class="e__">;-)</span> </span><br /> <br /> <br /> You are right on target!<br /> <hr /><a name="a3725_87"></a><p><b>From: UCONN Dave &amp; Lynn too (DANDL48)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.87">#87</a>]<br /> 6 May 2006<br /><b>To: UncleSteve</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.86">#86</a>] 6 May 2006</p> Where do I send my money? No steve, made a mistake, didn't mean to post to you! . I don't want to send you the money, but David <span class="e_embarrassed" title=":-$"><span class="e__">:-$</span> </span><p class="edit_text">EDITED: 6 May 2006 by DANDL48</p> <hr /><a name="a3725_88"></a><p><b>From: Rodney Gold (RODNEY_GOLD)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.88">#88</a>]<br /> 6 May 2006<br /><b>To: Barbara (RGILE)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.85">#85</a>] 10 May 2006</p> <p>Barbara , tis contibutors to the forum that give the info , not the forum itself <br /> Essentially you are telling us the forum is of value to info leechers , but what value is it to info givers?</p><hr /><a name="a3725_89"></a><p><b>From: EncompassTech</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.89">#89</a>]<br /> 6 May 2006<br /><b>To: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.52">#52</a>] 6 May 2006</p> <p>I think you misunderstood my post. I was talking only about lurkers not everyday helpers.</p> <p>Cherie</p><hr /><a name="a3725_90"></a><p><b>From: gt350ed</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.90">#90</a>]<br /> 6 May 2006<br /><b>To: ALL</b></p> I don't have time to offer my detailed thoughts right now, but I wanted everyone to know that I'm here and I've read ALL the posts so far.<br /> <br /> My quick and dirty is as follows:<br /> <br /> I would like to think that I might know David L. a slight bit more than most here in that we are geographically close and see each other somewhat more frequently. Having said this, my opinion of David L. is that he is an artist and a visionary....he is NOT a businessman. One small telltale of this is evidenced by how this has been handled over the past 72 hours, or so. And I mean this with a great amount of admiration and respect. I consider David a friend.<br /> <br /> A HUGE amount of great suggestions and perspectives have been offered as part of this thread. I truly hope David, et al, will take a step back, re-read the posts and consider an ALTERNATIVE plan. Personally, I'd opt for a forum that is free, with value-added components that are subscription access only. This is consistent with what others, with experience in this area, have suggested.<br /> <br /> In the meantime, I have registered with "EngravingEtc-Free". This does NOT mean that I won't be a subscriber here. But at the moment, I'm not sure what I'd be subscribing to.<br /> <br /> To quote our Governator, "I'll be back"....with further comment no doubt. <hr /><a name="a3725_91"></a><p><b>From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.91">#91</a>]<br /> 6 May 2006<br /><b>To: gt350ed</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.90">#90</a>] 6 May 2006</p> <p>Some of the suggestions have been in the works for months. They took some time away from the improvements.</p> <p>Nothing has been said about what will remain free. A lot of that depends on what can be done programing wise. (That also is a bit still in limbo until we know the programing problems. But there will be at least some free.) Tune in after the subscription forum starts and you will see what we could come up with.</p> <p>One of the reasons we have not announced what additional things will be, is most are still in the works, and until they are ready to go online they are vaporware. We will not announce vaporware.</p> <p>The logos were announced because at least the preliminary setup is done. When we get a chance that will be prettied up and made a bit easier to use. That may be down the road a bit because we want to put the time into more meat first, then we can go with fluff.</p> <p>I understand that something that has been available for free that now costs money can feel like you are being ripped off, but it is not so.</p> <hr /><a name="a3725_92"></a><p><b>From: Franklin (FW_HAYNES)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.92">#92</a>]<br /> 6 May 2006<br /><b>To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.9">#9</a>] 6 May 2006</p> Now with these logos, will there be a contact to help us gain licensing to use the logos? <hr /><a name="a3725_93"></a><p><b>From: Franklin (FW_HAYNES)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.93">#93</a>]<br /> 6 May 2006<br /><b>To: ALL</b></p> Its through Roy Brewer that I "happened" across this forum one day out of boredom. I am still in the beginning stages of getting my business off the ground. All of my supplier connections have come from this site, I have gotten sound business advice from this site pertaining to the engraving business that I haven't found anywhere else, and I have gotten a bunch of kick butt ideas by seeing the stuff that others are putting out. This forum has been a God send to me and I know that I am not the only one in here with this belief. Could it be that some of the ones contributing that think their contributions are what makes or breaks this forum may be chewing on sour grapes knowing that none of the forum revenue is going in their pockets? <span class="e_devil" title="(devil)"><span class="e__">(devil)</span> </span>That last comment was tongue in cheek; I do not wish to personally attack anyone for their personal feelings on this matter, but I know that this forum has been a value to me and as I grow as an engraver, I have no problem helping out newbies as they join. Keep us up to date on the ins and out and as soon as you need me to scrounge past the lint in my pocket and add up my quarters to join, let me know. <hr /><a name="a3725_94"></a><p><b>From: Franklin (FW_HAYNES)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.94">#94</a>]<br /> 6 May 2006<br /><b>To: ALL</b></p> <p>I personally think that a log should be kept of all of the members who have proclaimed their intention to move on and, more importantly, start a new forum that unoriginally mutates the name of this forum because of the price, and when they rejoin this forum because of the things they are missing out on, make them pay a penalty fee.<br /> Talk is cheap. I understand those who feel that they will move on, but to make such issue with it and brag about how much they have contributed as if this site will totally shut down if it were not for them, and make "threats" and shameless self promotions of starting new forums with unoriginal names (which makes me wonder about the originality of their engraving abilities and ideas) makes them look like children. As David said, it is a sole proprietary; my business is my business and I will not have a supplier telling me how to run my business and likewise David should not allow any one member (or two, or three, etc.) to tell him how to run his site.<br /> I honestly can see it now. A new forum will be started, the first two months or so will be primarily threads on how this forum sucks. By the 8th or 9th month the new free forum owner will find that there site is losing them some major capital to keep it running and within a year, the new forum will shut down, or it will advertise and start catering to suppliers, members will get ripped off by suppliers and start looking for forums that are not biased, so that within two years, many of the members will be back on this site enjoying professional advice and the owner of the new forum will be coming in under a new identity and causing sour grapes (again). <br /> All of this is hypothetical, but to those who have the real problem with this there is some underlying reason that you are being so vocal about it. You know how the moderators feel, they know how you feel, if there is a problem then go ahead and leave and start your new forum. Those of us that believe in the importance of helping eachother out will be glad to hang out with you when you come to the conventions and brag about how much we are getting from our new controlled forum.<br /> Though I am just starting in the engraving, I have already had an idea stolen from me. I look forward to the pay site because there will be a less likely chance of someone lurking for the purpose of building their business solely on the ideas of others (kind of like creating a forum that is copied from this one down to the name). I know that I will be more likely to share ideas and such with others that I know will use my ideas as a springboard for their own creative abilities rather than steal an exact idea.</p> <hr /><a name="a3725_95"></a><p><b>From: Franklin (FW_HAYNES)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.95">#95</a>]<br /> 6 May 2006<br /><b>To: sprinter</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.75">#75</a>] 7 May 2006</p> Is it just me or is there already a realization that this site is what it is because of the MODs and that is why there has been two shameless plugs for the MODs to post on this new forum? <hr /><a name="a3725_96"></a><p><b>From: gt350ed</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.96">#96</a>]<br /> 6 May 2006<br /><b>To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.91">#91</a>] 6 May 2006</p> <div class="quotetext" id="quote"><b>quote: </b></div><div class="quote">I understand that something that has been available for free that now costs money can feel like you are being ripped off, but it is not so.</div><br /> <br /> Harvey, I'm hoping that although you replied to <u>my</u> post, you were editorializing for the benefit of ALL, since I have not stated or even inferred anything regarding feelings of being "ripped off".<br /> <br /> I'm going to bed now, and when I say my prayers tonight, I am going to pray that everyone will do their best to move back to the center. There IS a way to preserve this "community" such that everyone gets a bit of what they want. Why don't we meet in a community "forum" to discuss it? What a concept. <hr /><a name="a3725_97"></a><p><b>From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.97">#97</a>]<br /> 6 May 2006<br /><b>To: gt350ed</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.96">#96</a>] 6 May 2006</p> Sorry Ed, must have hit the Reply on the wrong post. That comment was certainly not aimed at you. It was not aimed at anyone, just a thought of why some of the posts may have been made. <hr /><a name="a3725_98"></a><p><b>From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.98">#98</a>]<br /> 6 May 2006<br /><b>To: Franklin (FW_HAYNES)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3725.92">#92</a>] 6 May 2006</p> <div class="quotetext" id="quote"><b>quote: </b></div><div class="quote">Now with these logos, will there be a contact to help us gain licensing to use the logos?</div><br /> <br /> These are generic logos. Some I paid to have made, (the real early ones, and owned by me), others were representations of things from the public domain that were digitized by me. None were from other sources.<br /> <br /> To the absolute best of my knowledge copyright can be claimed only by me. 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