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<body> <h1>Full Version: <a href="https://www.engravingetc.org:443/archive/index.php?webtag=EE&msg=3798.32">Canon EOS 5D/DSLR Discussion</a></h1><a name="a3798_32"></a><p><b>From: Mike (BIGPIXEL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3798.32">#32</a>]<br /> 16 May 2006<br /><b>To: John (JOHNRMONTG)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3798.31">#31</a>] 16 May 2006</p> <p>John,</p> <p>I haven't done large scale murals as I'm one of those who thinks transfer technology still doesn't offer the kind of longevity I would expect for my clientelle but I have enlarged digital images for fine art paper printing on occasion beyond reasonable norms with some success. My comments here will always relate to the state of digital photography, what anyone does with that is another matter.</p> <p>I generally hate the results if the amount of interpolation required goes beyond 300%. But this is a subjective conclusion. It really depends on your needs and wants and what you think is commercially viable. I tend to be a perfectionist. This is the reason you should be considering a camera that offers as large an image file as you can afford. If you're able to shoot a 10-12 MB RAW file and then convert and edit it as a 80MB 16 bit TIFF, you'd be ahead of the game. </p> <p>BTW, this brings up an important side note. How robust is your computer work station? The larger files the better DSLRs produce require muscle to edit. You need at minimum 2GB RAM and a fast processor, a good video card around 128-256 MB these days. </p> <p>Re DSSI claims, have you ever seen a decent photograph of one of these projects? I haven't. You can't tell anything from a 50x50ppi image taken with a point-n-shoot there. I have been slammed for suggesting that larger, more professionally taken images might tell the story better. Its almost as if no one wants you to see a close up detail for fear someone will understand the weakness of their process. Either that or the people who've posted images take constructive criticism too personally. I've offered to photograph imaged tile and put up large files online for examination but as of this date no one who's said they'd send me tile to photograph has sent any. </p> <p>Sorry to hear about Kneson Imager Unlimited. That did look promising. And you are right. The more you stomp on any image, interpolate it up, save and resave as a jpg; the image quality will go down dramatically. Most of the good folk on DSSI attempting these things are not photographers or good image editors. That's not a slam btw, just a fact. You can tell in how they describe their process.</p><p class="edit_text">EDITED: 17 May 2006 by BIGPIXEL</p> <hr /><a name="a3798_33"></a><p><b>From: John (JOHNRMONTG)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3798.33">#33</a>]<br /> 16 May 2006<br /><b>To: Mike (BIGPIXEL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3798.32">#32</a>] 16 May 2006</p> <p>Hi Mike ... all good points you have made. I am currently looking also at updating my workstation. My wife, darn her, has got the more robust computer so I am looking into a faster, more aprapro (sp?) computer to work with. This is just like stereo, photography and so many other things that the 'weakest link' drives the overall product. Currently have a 1.8 mhz on WinPro with only 512mb ram (maxed out, just found out a month ago) and an average video card. <br /> I agree with your summary on what I have seen on the DSSI forum in what I have observed but often times people probably have much better images available but don't offer to post those 'off site' ... could just be a 'time thing'. I understand how you feel with some of the posts slamming you on that forum and if those people would take time to read between the lines what you are offering I think those of us with a lessor experience level would tend to learn a lot more. I think there are many ways tho to approach any given scenario and I value looking at all the options and then decide on what approach I want to take to solve my own problem. I know with photography before the digital age I was looking at all the different Nikons and would have loved to buy the F-1 (have a friend that has one with all the bells and whistles) but after a serious evaluation of my needs at the time and to have to lift that monster for a day of shooting, I opted out at a more appropriate level and decided to buy a couple of good lens to compliment it.<br /> I would not say I am an expert on enlargement software and it could be kneison unlimited is equal to or better then others ... not sure ...<br /> Thanks for your insights. <span class="e_smile" title=":-)"><span class="e__">:-)</span> </span></p> <hr /><a name="a3798_34"></a><p><b>From: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3798.34">#34</a>]<br /> 16 May 2006<br /><b>To: Mike (BIGPIXEL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3798.32">#32</a>] 16 May 2006</p> Mike,<br /> <br /> If you ever have (large file size) photos to exhibit, send them to me and I'll post them.<br /> <br /> What's a little band width between friends? <span class="e_smile" title=":-)"><span class="e__">:-)</span> </span> <hr /><a name="a3798_35"></a><p><b>From: Mike (BIGPIXEL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3798.35">#35</a>]<br /> 16 May 2006<br /><b>To: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3798.34">#34</a>] 16 May 2006</p> <p>Thanks Dave, I'd be glad to post them here, if I ever get any imaged tile to photograph that is.</p> <p>I must say that I find this forum much more receptive to new ideas and suggestions than DSSI. I feel much more at home here. This site seems to lack the acrimony and personal attacks evidenced on DSSI, at least with respect to my posts. </p> <p>People here are into the larger picture; engraving, signage, manufacturing as much as transfer technology. I find it refreshing that dye-sub (and lasar) is but a sub-note here. </p> <p>I think that speaks well of the wider business interests here and parallels much more closely what I was accustomed to in my former sign business. Dye Sub would have been just one tool of many in my daily production schedule. </p> <p>I probably should have become a 'regular' here years ago..... <span class="e_wink" title=";-)"><span class="e__">;-)</span> </span></p><p class="edit_text">EDITED: 16 May 2006 by BIGPIXEL</p> <hr /><a name="a3798_36"></a><p><b>From: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3798.36">#36</a>]<br /> 16 May 2006<br /><b>To: Mike (BIGPIXEL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3798.35">#35</a>] 16 May 2006</p> Mike,<br /> <br /> When I saw you being accused of running members off of DSSI, I couldn't believe what I was reading.<br /> <br /> Although I made a tongue-in-cheek comment, when you first visited here, inviting you to run off as many EE members as you possibly could, I did so, with the full realization that it would be impossible.<br /> <br /> Some people may not like the way you deliver a message, but your message is <i>rarely</i> without substance.<br /> <br /> A Michael O'Hara post, is always worth a read. <span class="e_smile" title=":-)"><span class="e__">:-)</span> </span><br /> <br /> Thank you for joining us. <hr /><a name="a3798_37"></a><p><b>From: Mike (BIGPIXEL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3798.37">#37</a>]<br /> 16 May 2006<br /><b>To: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3798.36">#36</a>] 16 May 2006</p> Thanks Dave. It feels good to be here.<hr /><a name="a3798_38"></a><p><b>From: Dave Jones (DAVERJ)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3798.38">#38</a>]<br /> 17 May 2006<br /><b>To: Mike (BIGPIXEL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3798.28">#28</a>] 17 May 2006</p> <p>Mike, I spoke to my brother. He says he does use the combo to manipulate focus planes, but more often he is using it for perspective control. Here's a couple of samples. The 4x5 camera, BTW, is a Cambo, se he calls it the Canon Cambo Combo. <span class="e_smile" title=":-)"><span class="e__">:-)</span> </span></p> <p>These first two were both taken with the combo, but the second had the focus manipulated:</p> <p><a href="http://www.redtengu.com/images/raw/Eric_1Ds_1.jpg">http://www.redtengu.com/images/raw/Eric_1Ds_1.jpg</a></p> <p><a href="http://www.redtengu.com/images/raw/Eric_1Ds_2.jpg">http://www.redtengu.com/images/raw/Eric_1Ds_2.jpg</a></p> <p>In this next example they are two identical model reception desks, one dark brown, one light. They were both shot in the standard "3 point" angle, with the camera above the center line and looking down at the product.</p> <p>The first one was shot with the Canon alone. The second one is that same shot with perspective correction done in Photoshop. The third one was done with the combo camera with perspective correction done by moving the lens board. The Canon only shot uses a slightly wider angle lens, which does exagerate the distortion, but it would be there with any lens because of the camera looking down on the subject.</p> <p><a href="http://www.redtengu.com/images/raw/Eric_1Ds_3.jpg">http://www.redtengu.com/images/raw/Eric_1Ds_3.jpg</a></p> <p><a href="http://www.redtengu.com/images/raw/Eric_1Ds_4.jpg">http://www.redtengu.com/images/raw/Eric_1Ds_4.jpg</a></p> <p><a href="http://www.redtengu.com/images/raw/Eric_1Ds_5.jpg">http://www.redtengu.com/images/raw/Eric_1Ds_5.jpg</a></p> <p>This perspective control is also important for architectural photos.</p><hr /><a name="a3798_39"></a><p><b>From: Dave Jones (DAVERJ)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3798.39">#39</a>]<br /> 17 May 2006<br /><b>To: Mike (BIGPIXEL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3798.28">#28</a>] 17 May 2006</p> Oh, and he does have a 4x5 digital scanning back for the Cambo, but it requires being tethered to a laptop and since it is a scanning back it is a real problem with people or other stuff that might move in the shot.<hr /><a name="a3798_40"></a><p><b>From: UCONN Dave &amp; Lynn too (DANDL48)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3798.40">#40</a>]<br /> 17 May 2006<br /><b>To: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3798.36">#36</a>] 17 May 2006</p> <p>If Hula Mike stays, I'm outta here!!!!</p> <p> <span class="e_wink" title=";-)"><span class="e__">;-)</span> </span></p> <hr /><a name="a3798_41"></a><p><b>From: Mike (BIGPIXEL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3798.41">#41</a>]<br /> 17 May 2006<br /><b>To: Dave Jones (DAVERJ)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3798.39">#39</a>] 17 May 2006</p> Thanks Dave, good explanation and the pics say it all.<br /> <br /> -<b>Uconn</b>inator <span class="e_shades" title="B-)"><span class="e__">B-)</span> </span><p class="edit_text">EDITED: 17 May 2006 by BIGPIXEL</p> <hr /><a name="a3798_42"></a><p><b>From: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3798.42">#42</a>]<br /> 17 May 2006<br /><b>To: UCONN Dave &amp; Lynn too (DANDL48)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3798.40">#40</a>] 18 May 2006</p> Dave,<br /> <br /> If Mike goes, I'm outta here. : <span class="e_tongue" title=":P"><span class="e__">:P</span> </span> <hr /><a name="a3798_43"></a><p><b>From: UCONN Dave &amp; Lynn too (DANDL48)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3798.43">#43</a>]<br /> 18 May 2006<br /><b>To: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3798.42">#42</a>] 18 May 2006</p> <span class="e_smile" title=":-)"><span class="e__">:-)</span> </span> <hr /><a name="a3798_44"></a><p><b>From: LaZerDude (C_BURKE)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3798.44">#44</a>]<br /> 19 May 2006<br /><b>To: Mike (BIGPIXEL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3798.35">#35</a>] 19 May 2006</p> <div class="quotetext" id="quote"><b>quote: </b></div><div class="quote">Thanks Dave, I'd be glad to post them here, if I ever get any imaged tile to photograph that is.</div><br /> <br /> Mike,<br /> I'll probably have some ready by mid june if you want to come to Maui and shoot it. <hr /><a name="a3798_45"></a><p><b>From: LaZerDude (C_BURKE)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3798.45">#45</a>]<br /> 19 May 2006<br /><b>To: UCONN Dave &amp; Lynn too (DANDL48)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3798.40">#40</a>] 19 May 2006</p> <div class="quotetext" id="quote"><b>quote: </b></div><div class="quote">If Hula Mike stays, I'm outta here!!!!<br /> <br /> <span class="e_wink" title=";-)"><span class="e__">;-)</span> </span></div><br /> <br /> <br /> Hula Mike, Hula Boy.......<br /> <br /> <br /> Ladies and Gentlemn.....introducing LIVE for the first time ANYWHERE, ( and probably the last) ......singing their new ( and probably only ) hit.... <br /> <br /> "I'm DYE-SUBBING for your Love"...... <br /> <br /> Lets give it up for the ..........<font color="#FF0000" size="7" face="Arial">HULA Brothers!</font><br /> <br /> <br /> ( insert screaming crowd noises here)<p class="edit_text">EDITED: 19 May 2006 by C_BURKE</p> <hr /><a name="a3798_46"></a><p><b>From: Mike (BIGPIXEL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3798.46">#46</a>]<br /> 19 May 2006<br /><b>To: LaZerDude (C_BURKE)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3798.45">#45</a>] 19 May 2006</p> Chuck, shouldn't that be....<br /> <br /> <font size="5" color="#FF0000">HulaBruddas</font> ? <span class="e_wink" title=";-)"><span class="e__">;-)</span> </span><br /> <br /> I might just take you up on your offer. Any reason to visit Maui you know....where do you live?<hr /><a name="a3798_47"></a><p><b>From: LaZerDude (C_BURKE)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3798.47">#47</a>]<br /> 19 May 2006<br /><b>To: Mike (BIGPIXEL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3798.46">#46</a>] 19 May 2006</p> <div class="quotetext" id="quote"><b>quote: </b></div><div class="quote">HulaBruddas ? <span class="e_wink" title=";-)"><span class="e__">;-)</span> </span></div><br /> <br /> Mike, you might be right <span class="e_grin" title=":D"><span class="e__">:D</span> </span> <hr /><a name="a3798_48"></a><p><b>From: LaZerDude (C_BURKE)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3798.48">#48</a>]<br /> 19 May 2006<br /><b>To: ALL</b></p> Hey Gang,<br /> <br /> This thread has gotten me to thinking, and with my HulaBrudda, I may have moved into a different intermediate catagory for a Camera.<br /> Whilst browsing at Costco ( Yes we have one here) I came across the Canon 20D dslr. <br /> <br /> <a href="http://www.steves-digicams.com/2004_reviews/20d.html"> Canon 20D</a><br /> <br /> So I looked at the above review. It might be a great compromise......<p class="edit_text">EDITED: 19 May 2006 by C_BURKE</p> <hr /><a name="a3798_49"></a><p><b>From: Dave Jones (DAVERJ)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3798.49">#49</a>]<br /> 19 May 2006<br /><b>To: LaZerDude (C_BURKE)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3798.48">#48</a>] 19 May 2006</p> Go visit <a href="http://www.dpreview.com">http://www.dpreview.com</a> They review a lot of cameras and give really detailed info. You can also do a side by side compare between several cameras and compare features one to one.<hr /><a name="a3798_50"></a><p><b>From: LaZerDude (C_BURKE)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3798.50">#50</a>]<br /> 19 May 2006<br /><b>To: Mike (BIGPIXEL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3798.46">#46</a>] 19 May 2006</p> <div class="quotetext" id="quote"><b>quote: </b></div><div class="quote">.where do you live?</div><br /> <br /> Kihei <hr /><a name="a3798_51"></a><p><b>From: Mike (BIGPIXEL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3798.51">#51</a>]<br /> 19 May 2006<br /><b>To: LaZerDude (C_BURKE)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3798.48">#48</a>] 19 May 2006</p> <p>Chuck, the 20D has been updated to the 30D. Not really sure about the difference in features vrs price point, Canon's not my system. I'd check it out first though.</p> <p>What I will suggest is that you stop trying to make your decision based on price alone. Its just like buying a new computer. Price/features are important today but in 6 months? It will all be forgotten. What you buy today will be cheaper tomorrow. Just buy now for the features you need and don't look back. If Canon rings your chimes, I'd go for the 5D. </p> <p>Besides, any cam you buy is a write off, right? Initial cost really isn't a consideration.</p> <p>Check this DPR comparison for the 20D, 30D and 5D:</p> <p><a href="http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/compare_post.asp?method=sidebyside&cameras=canon_eos20d%2Ccanon_eos30d%2Ccanon_eos5d&show=all">http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/compare_post.asp?method=sidebyside&cameras=canon_eos20d%2Ccanon_eos30d%2Ccanon_eos5d&show=all</a></p><p class="edit_text">EDITED: 19 May 2006 by BIGPIXEL</p> <hr /><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="EE" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="3798.52" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="submit1" class="button" value="Keep reading…" /></form><p align="center">Show messages:  <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3798.1">1-11</a>  <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3798.12">12-31</a>  32-51  <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3798.52">52-60</a></p> <h4><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=EE">Back to thread list</a> | <a href="llogout.php?webtag=EE">Login</a></h4> <h6>© 2024 <a href="http://www.beehiveforum.net/" target="_blank">Project Beehive Forum</a></h6> </body>