Full Version: Stencil questions
From: sawdr73 [#5]
23 Mar 2005
To: Jim (RETAIL74) [#1] 24 Mar 2005
Jim,
I would not recommend using regular vinyl. I think there would be a very good chance that it would pull some of the old paint. You should seriously consider using a vinyl called spray mask. It has a less aggressive adhesive and is made especially for the purpose you are undertaking. Also, do not let the paint dry over night before removing the mask. That will also pull your fresh paint off. You must remove the mask while the paint is still tacky so that it will seperate at the cut lines. Spray mask is available at most vinyl supplers. I am not sure about the "points" per inch. You may be getting into "printers" measurements which puts you into "picas". I think that is where the 72 points per inch comes in. But I am not a printer and I don't know if picas apply to MS word or any other computer program.
Hope this helps and good luck with the paint mask.
Mickey Parker
Vital Signs
From: Patty (PDI) [#6]
23 Mar 2005
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#4] 24 Mar 2005
No its not.
Refer to: http://www.mydesignprimer.com/fonts/40022.html
Explains it easier than I can.
From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#7]
23 Mar 2005
To: sawdr73 [#5] 24 Mar 2005
Corel and Word use the printers measurement of 72 points equal one inch. As previously mentioned some fonts do not produce exactly that result. Sometimes that is intentional, to make the interline spacing greater or lesser. Sometimes, like one of my fonts it is an accident.
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#8]
24 Mar 2005
To: Patty (PDI) [#6] 24 Mar 2005
Thank you Patty.
It's a little embarrassing to someone (like me) who spent many years between Jr. High, through High School, in print shop. :-)
I know I still have a steel line gauge around here somewhere, but haven't seen it for a while. :-)
Good article.
Looks like I'm pretty safe in using my "version of conversion" on my computerized engraving machine though :-)
David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA
From: PenTrophy (PENINSULATROPHY) [#9]
24 Mar 2005
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#8] 24 Mar 2005
It's so interesting to have a debate over pica, points and inches and all parties are correct. It's Corel that is wrong.
In the real world 6 pica, 72 points and 1 " are equal. But in Corel, what ever the 72 is at the top of the tool bar equates to 1 " on the "Format Text" window but not the actual rulers....it's just under 3/4" (maybe 3 whatevers)
Unless I have it all wrong Corel is messed up when it comes to measurements. ( at least Corel 9 )
Mark
From: UCONN Dave & Lynn too (DANDL48) [#10]
24 Mar 2005
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#8] 24 Mar 2005
David,
What was it 9 years? 8<)
Dave
From: Sei (SEIMA) [#11]
24 Mar 2005
To: sawdr73 [#5] 25 Mar 2005
Even with spray mask vinyl I've had the embarrasing situations of pulling the face off drywall (paint and paper) and pulling the clear coat off wooden wall panals when using a vinyl template to install letters.
It would be nice if there was a vinyl with about the same tack as transfer paper. Problem is, with that little stick, how would you put it up?
Sei
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#12]
24 Mar 2005
To: UCONN Dave & Lynn too (DANDL48) [#10] 24 Mar 2005
Dave,
I don't know why the school print shops taught procedures that Ben Franklin saw as old hat.
Handset type in composition sticks, furniture in chases, locked in with quoin keys, hand-operated platen presses etc., etc.
By the time I left High Scholl (1971) the print industry was already getting into the digital age. Don't know where my training would have come in.
Fortunately, I found an engraving job, in the days when a well-equipped shop consisted of a manual pantograph and a hot stamping machine :-)
Pretty hi-tech - so I thought :-)
David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA
From: PenTrophy (PENINSULATROPHY) [#13]
24 Mar 2005
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#12] 24 Mar 2005
David when you say high tech.... you mean they started using the telephone , right
I can recall the Varitype typesetter that was sitting in a corner in 1987 when I got started in advertising, still in use. And the other department had just gone to Wang dishpack drives from IBM keypunch..... Did I mention this was the High Tech Army of the 80's
My Comodore 64 had more processing speed...........1982-83
Mark
From: Ken D. (KDEVORY) [#14]
24 Mar 2005
To: Jim (RETAIL74) [#1] 24 Mar 2005
How big are the pieces you want to make?
What equipment do you have on hand?
I'm asking because I don't know if its an option to laser painter's tape.
From: Jim (RETAIL74) [#15]
24 Mar 2005
To: Ken D. (KDEVORY) [#14] 24 Mar 2005
The letters are going on a post, ground level, outside a store. It needs to be painted because it's a very high traffic area. I don't want someone peeling it off. I found a stencil vinyl that has a very low tack adhesive, so I'll be testing it this weekend. The vinyl is made for this application.
I was told by a friend who does a lot of vinyl that I can use a hairdryer to loosen the adhesive. It will not generate enough heat to peel the existing paint. I will also be testing this.
I also printed a bunch of sample letter sizes so that I can pick the right letter sizes.
The letters will be painted in a vertical line down a round pillar. It will be about six feet long.
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EDITED: 24 Mar 2005 by RETAIL74
From: Ken D. (KDEVORY) [#16]
24 Mar 2005
To: Jim (RETAIL74) [#15] 24 Mar 2005