Full Version: DSSI Engraving Folder / EE Announcement
From: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#116]
7 May 2006
To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#56] 7 May 2006
There is? I would be interested.......
From: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#117]
7 May 2006
To: precisionlaser [#60] 7 May 2006
Mark,
I could not past your whole thread here, it was too large, BUT it was right on the money.
You stated many of the feelings I have and stated them well.
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#118]
7 May 2006
To: Rodney Gold (RODNEY_GOLD) [#29] 7 May 2006
Could you give us the name of the photo site? I'd like to see what they're up to.
On the topic of copyrighted posts, for anyone who strongly objects to their archived posts being part and parcel of the pay site, I do have the ability to esponge all of their posts.
I will perform that task, to all who request to have their posts removed.
At the same time, I would ask that those people weigh their decision carefully.
Deleted posts will disrupt the continuity of an archived thread.
Putting myself in that scenario, I would allow my archived posts to stand, on whatever forum I had previously participated, without malice.
Of course, each of us is entitled to our own decisions.
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#119]
7 May 2006
To: mikew [#35] 7 May 2006
I've seen the contribution drives on Sawmill Creek. From what I saw, they were sparsely met.
Why would it take such a valuable resource, to be driven to the edge of extinction, before taking measures to ensure its continuance?
If meeting operating costs is the single goal, that says to me, the administrators aren't planning to take the site beyond its current incarnation.
From: mikew [#120]
7 May 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#119] 7 May 2006
SMC was in a similar situation, monthly bandwidth was costing them greatly. The members stepped up and met the need.
The difference is SMC isn't looking to profit from members shared information, only to cover costs. That's what a forum is.....Shared information. You can try reinvent it with extras like cheap clipart/logos but in the end the people are there for the shared information/interaction.
As many have said, please throw us a bone.....What are the perks?
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#121]
7 May 2006
To: spudislander (WILLM) [#36] 8 May 2006
Will,
Thank you for supplying the operative word -- Foresight.
It's been suggested (privately) that I lay out my long term goals, in order to show people what's in store.
There are two reasons, I keep that information close to my vest:
1) Nobody, including myself, likes "vaporware."
Vaporware, for those not familiar with the term, is an announcement of a great product, just over the horizon, which, in reality, may never materialize.
My plan will be incremental. People in the "Show Me" state will appreciate my approach.
2) I'm thinking much further out of the box, than any current awards and engraving industry entity seems to be capable of.
I'm not disparaging those companies or organizations; just making an observation, based on nearly four decades within this industry.
Therefore, revealing my long-term vision, which has been thought through and is very clear in my mind, at this time, will only serve to inspire others to imitate.
Evidence at hand, is the emergence of a "look-a-like" Beehive forum, which although not affiliated in any way to EE.org has adopted a mutation of my forum's name along with the format of carrying many processes, under one roof.
Until I initiated the Engraving Etc. forum, on Delphi forums (circa 2000 and to this day) most online forums were/are single-dimensional.
I surely don't mind if other forums are inspired to follow the leader, but I think it's up to the leader to set the bar.
That way, those who have followed our history will recognize the true originators.
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#122]
7 May 2006
To: EncompassTech [#44] 8 May 2006
Cherie,
No such potentially-bias-producing offers have been made, or accepted.
Companies run discounts and specials all the time. Running a special, especially for our group, (as is being done on DSSI) isn't fuel for bias.
Thank you, once again, for making my case.
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#123]
7 May 2006
To: Zonas [#45] 7 May 2006
Zona,
Do you own a dictionary?
When's the last time you used it?
When you did have occasion to use it, did you find the information you were looking for?
Was your dictionary a waste of money?
Our registered members will be made aware of the change in format, with 30 days to make their decision.
EDITED: 7 May 2006 by DGL
From: precisionlaser [#124]
7 May 2006
To: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#117] 7 May 2006
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#125]
7 May 2006
To: EncompassTech [#47] 8 May 2006
You are saying a lurker is going pay you to come out and tell the "go getters" of the industry all of their secrets? Personally this would be the last place I would be willing share information. I would be expecting to get more information as a lurker now that I have to pay to lurk.
Cherie,
Your statement, sounds as if you possess incontrovertible evidence to the contrary.
To this day, I maintain a DelphiPlus membership. I rarely visit, but I'm happy to have their valuable product at my disposal, when needed.
I don't begrudge them charging for their service.
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#126]
7 May 2006
To: Dave Jones (DAVERJ) [#48] 7 May 2006
As our Most Valuable Newcomer, I truly appreciate your input, here and across the entire forum.
If I hadn't already seen pay forums succeed, I'd be less confident about my decision.
I'm well aware of the drop of membership we'll experience. I have no expectation of how many paying members to expect, in the short term.
Jokingly, I've said, "If we end up with five paying members, we'll build from there." :-)
After all, I've started from scratch, on two occasions. The second time, was less work than the first; and if you consider the new format, the third start; I expect even less work, in building a strong membership.
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#127]
7 May 2006
To: sprinter [#54] 7 May 2006
Many people choose not to enter the fray. It's not surprising you're not seeing the "where do I make my payments" emails I'm receiving privately.
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#128]
7 May 2006
To: cardjim (JIMMY) [#64] Unread
Jimmy,
I'm one of the little guys. I don't think you can get smaller than a one-man operation, where wearing all the hats, is a daily occurence.
I don't call myself a "little guy" because I truly believe, that mindset is counter-productive, to becoming a bigger guy.
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#129]
7 May 2006
To: sprinter [#66] 7 May 2006
I fully agree that another name should have been used, but I doubt you had much say in the choice of the name.
I suspect there's an element of sibling rivalry at play.
Is that the case? You can be honest; can't you?
You're anonymous.
From: UncleSteve [#130]
7 May 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#127] 7 May 2006
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#131]
7 May 2006
To: Rodney Gold (RODNEY_GOLD) [#102] 7 May 2006
Rodney,
I find it interesting that you, who emphatically states, the (commercial) awards and engraving industry holds no allure and that EE.org holds virtually no value to you personally, would be at the head of the charge against the new format.
In case you hadn't seen my previous post, adressing people who feel their contributions are being hijacked, as grist for the new format, I can delete all of your posts, with a single click of a button.
I'll do so, at your command, and for those who share your sentiments.
EDITED: 7 May 2006 by DGL
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#132]
7 May 2006
To: Zelmon [#107] 8 May 2006
Thank you Simon.
I appreciate your perspective from "across the pond" and as a seasoned industry veteran.
My only fear for this thread, is that it will replace the "ARA Las Vegas" thread as the longest-running. :P
EDITED: 7 May 2006 by DGL
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#133]
7 May 2006
To: Doug (JDOUG5170) [#110] 8 May 2006
We all have our beliefs.
With or without your presence, we'll continue to proudly carry your link.
All the best,
From: Becky (KIAIJANE) [#134]
7 May 2006
To: ALL
Hello All,
As a 99% leech, 1% contributor, it is safe for me to say that I have received invaluable tips and advice from from this site.
Everyone has always treated me with kindness and answered all of my questions with professionalism and courtesy.
I have been "saved" many a time from this forum.
I was also fortunate enough to meet several forum members at the Beach Party in Las Vegas. It was a fantastic opportunity to pick the brains of some of the leading business people in the industry.
The question of whether or not I would personally pay for this site is about to be a moot issue as my fledgling business is in the process of disintigrating before my very eyes.
I'm not really sure what the point of sharing that opinion in an open forum like this is anyway. I wouldn't hope to influence anyone else's opinion or try to get the moderators to change their minds. People will have to make the decision on their own. Those who realize and need the value of the site will ante up. Those who don't, won't. Simple as that. I am hoping for the sake of all involved, there will be more of the former than the latter.
I would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone (especially the fabulous moderators) for all of the help you have given me for the last 8 months. I will miss the camraderie and humor and friendship I have found here. Please know that my exit has nothing to do with the new structure and everything to do with my current business situation.
I may be back once my own "smoke" clears.
Now, anyone out there in the market for a whole garage full of trophy parts? LOL
Thanks again everyone
good luck in your business.
Becky
EDITED: 7 May 2006 by KIAIJANE
From: Shaddy [#135]
7 May 2006
To: Becky (KIAIJANE) [#134] 7 May 2006
Becky, I think you're missing a good opportunity to get some advice from some good sources. Could be that your chosen area of business isn't pulling the weight, so you need to expand to bring in some more dough. Maybe be more specific on what you're doing, what equipment you have, what area you're located...
Not that I myself can help, but we all like hearing the drastically different advice from the forum members. Post it in a new thread, as I don't read all the posts in this thread.
Shaddy
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