Full Version: BallStars-Be Careful
From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#50]
2 Jul 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#49] 2 Jul 2006
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#51]
2 Jul 2006
To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#50] 2 Jul 2006
Harvey,
I'm certain you were posing a rhetorical question to all, but just in case, "Not me." :-)
From: UncleSteve [#52]
2 Jul 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#51] 2 Jul 2006
Nor me said the flea!
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#53]
2 Jul 2006
To: UncleSteve [#52] 2 Jul 2006
Oops!
I try so hard to be grammatically correct. :-)
Guess I'm feeling a little "street" today. :-)
EDITED: 2 Jul 2006 by DGL
From: Franklin (FW_HAYNES) [#54]
2 Jul 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#20] 3 Jul 2006
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#55]
3 Jul 2006
To: Franklin (FW_HAYNES) [#54] 3 Jul 2006
Franklin,
Because Ballstars is a proprietary process, with proprietary materials, there are no competitors.
Sometimes, in industry, a company with a project they don't want others to know about, will farm out several components to separate factories, so none of the individual factories know what the finished product will be.
Because Ballstar licensees have to buy all materials, (balls) print media etc. from Ballstars, the licensor (Ballstars) knows when there's a big fish on the line.
I imagine some of the big fish approach Ballstars directly, in an effort to cut out the middleman.
At that point, a reputable licensor would direct such business back to the licensees.
It has to be very tempting for Ballstars to jump directly on a large account, but falling to that temptation, with word of that practice hitting the streets, will work strongly against their chances for building a network of licensees.
EDITED: 3 Jul 2006 by DGL
From: bobkat [#56]
3 Jul 2006
To: Franklin (FW_HAYNES) [#54] 3 Jul 2006
<but who would we use in place of these guys? >
The answer would be nobody. The world will not stop turning if this product is not in the marketplace. At some point, if they keep screwing over their licensees, either they will have to completely market the product themselves, or it will dry up and disappear for lack of distributors.
From: UncleSteve [#57]
3 Jul 2006
To: bobkat [#56] 3 Jul 2006
From: bobkat [#58]
3 Jul 2006
To: UncleSteve [#57] 3 Jul 2006
From: UncleSteve [#59]
13 Jul 2006
To: ALL
The Awards & Custom Gift Show Baltimore, MD August 24-26!
The Awards & Custom Gift Show is dedicated to awards and recognition professionals. Join in the excitement of the new show in Baltimore, August 24-26, where you will see the top awards suppliers in the industry displaying their equipment and wares. If you're in the awards business, this is a great opportunity to meet one-on-one with some of the industry's biggest names.
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#60]
13 Jul 2006
To: UncleSteve [#59] 13 Jul 2006
Ballstars will also be at the NBM Long Beach, CA show, coming up next week.
I told the owner, I'd drop by and introduce myself. No confrontation. Just a chat.
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From: Doc (GREAT_ATLANTIC) [#62]
15 Jul 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#55] 18 Jul 2006
We don't offer the process here, and have never had a request for it. But I'm guessing that if it ever becomes widely popular, we will see very similar products from our friends offshore in 5...4...3...2...1...
With just a hint of volume, niche manufacturers fall prey to this kind of competition every day. Not too good for early adopters to a "proprietary" system...but not too bad for the rest of us.
Jim
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#63]
18 Jul 2006
To: Doc (GREAT_ATLANTIC) [#62] 20 Jul 2006
As you say, once a company develops a strong demand for a proprietary process/product, patent infringers are close behind.
From: vito (VITOCORLIONI) [#64]
27 Oct 2006
To: ALL
To all ballstars owners.....
I am currently looking at the ballstar system, and I called directly to andy and asked him if I would be competing with ballstars...his response was "they sell their products to china and i would not be competing with them" after reading your posts I see that this is not entirely true.
thank-you for your posts. I do like the product, I think that even the people that have been wronged, like the product and don't like the company.
If anyone is selling their system, I would be interested in purchasing it.
Thanks
Vitocorlioni@yahoo.com
From: Rodney Gold (RODNEY_GOLD) [#65]
27 Oct 2006
To: ALL
Check this out
http://www.ballstars.co.za/
From: UncleSteve [#66]
27 Oct 2006
To: Rodney Gold (RODNEY_GOLD) [#65] 28 Oct 2006
Point made and very well!!!!
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#67]
28 Oct 2006
To: precisionlaser [#21] 28 Oct 2006
Any update to your story?
From: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#68]
4 Nov 2006
To: precisionlaser [#10] 4 Nov 2006
Mark,
I have not read the entire thread, but first let me say THIS SUCKS!!!! Especially to have it happen to you. ( Why do things like this happen to good people) Given the level of service and ethics you adhere too.
Have you gone to the TOPMOST managment level and screamed?
Edit: I have since read the entire thread. Apparently you have.....
Perhaps in my post in "Topic of You Choic" about a revolt, I should have mentioned the decline in ethics in this country as well.
I'm sorry this happened to you Mark.....but hold your head up. YOU take the high road and set an example of ethics and customer service that should be an example for us all.
EDITED: 4 Nov 2006 by C_BURKE
From: Dave (MT_DAVE) [#69]
5 Nov 2006
To: LaZerDude (C_BURKE) [#68] 5 Nov 2006
Chuck,
Don't you mean Ballstars, not Topmost?
Been doing too much Maui wowie?
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