Full Version: New Book by Stephen Spence/2005 Conviction
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#1]
23 Aug 2006
To: ALL
Mike Neer, Publisher
Graphics Pro magazine
says,
"Goes beyond sublimation to show any personalization business where to find customers. It's like having a consultant at your elbow 24/7 for only the cost of a book."
Available through Graphics Pro Bookstore
www.graphicspro.org
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EDITED: 7 Sep 2006 by DGL
From: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#2]
23 Aug 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#1] 23 Aug 2006
This would be same J. Stephen Spence that served 51 days in jail for....
"Distribution and exhibiting of material depicting minors engaged in sexually explicit conduct. Victim age range 0-5 and 6-14 male and female."
According to a newspaper story a while back......Employees turned him in after finding video camera's in the restrooms of his business....I understand that in the end, there was no conviction of any kind regarding the video camera's, but the fact that one of his employees found the camera's propegated the investigation that led to the discovery of the child pornography on his computer.
I have little interest in knowingly financially supporting someone convicted of this type of behavior.
I know this has been bantered about here and on DSSI, but I think the subject needs to be refreshed when he and his prouduct are being actively advertised on a public forum, and in trade magazines.
I believe that people have a right to know what kind of people they are supporting with their dollars.
Frankly, I doubt that Stephen Spence has much to add over and above what DSSI or EE has to offer when it comes to sublimation tips tricks and business suggestions. My personal opinion of him prior to his arrest and conviction was that he was pushing a small percentage of the full spectrum of available sublimatable products that were out there. Mainly those that supported him with their financial dollars. In other words, what he was selling, was a very narrow view of what was available in the industry.
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#3]
23 Aug 2006
To: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#2] 23 Aug 2006
Yes, it's the same person.
Just passing along an industry news item from Recognition Pro magazine.
From: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#4]
23 Aug 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#3] 23 Aug 2006
I understand...... I have no problem with your post, I just want to be sure people know who they are dealing with.
A public information service bullatin if you will. :)
From: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#5]
23 Aug 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#3] 23 Aug 2006
Was looking for this link, but had the wrong state.....
http://www.wvstatepolice.com/sexoff/WebDetails.cfm?OffenderID=2723
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#6]
23 Aug 2006
To: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#5] 23 Aug 2006
I have to say that is industry news, although mine is more current.
People do deserve the right to the whole story.
I'm surprised that didn't show up in Recognition Pro.
Well...actually not.
From: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#7]
23 Aug 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#6] 23 Aug 2006
Thanks,
Brian Genrich
Rallye Productions Inc.
1-800-236-2036 x112
Custom cut, or sheet stock Sublimatable metal,
Screen printing, and other digital print services.
EDITED: 23 Aug 2006 by RALLYGUY1
From: UncleSteve [#8]
23 Aug 2006
To: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#7] 23 Aug 2006
From: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#9]
23 Aug 2006
To: UncleSteve [#8] 23 Aug 2006
From: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES) [#10]
23 Aug 2006
To: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1) [#9] 23 Aug 2006
Brian,
I hadn't heard how that whole situation ended up, but seeing him on the West Virginia sex offenders list with multiple victims is all I need to know. One's character can't get any lower than that. WOW! What are these publishers thinking?
From: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#11]
23 Aug 2006
To: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES) [#10] 23 Aug 2006
David,
I'm sure they're thinking about selling magazines/books through a recognizeable name within the industry.
To my knowledge, there isn't a more prolific writer in our industry.
On the grand scale, the "sub story" isn't widely known.
I have no doubt there are some very valuable tips in the book. During his (past) career as a seminar speaker, Stephen has spoken to virtually thousands of people.
EDITED: 23 Aug 2006 by DGL
From: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES) [#12]
23 Aug 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#11] 23 Aug 2006
I'n not too concerned about how many people know, but I am concerned about the views of those who do know and don't seem to be bothered by his behavior.
From: bobkat [#13]
23 Aug 2006
To: Stunt Engraver (DGL) [#11] 23 Aug 2006
David,
I'm not sure I understand your post; are you defending Mr. Spence, or just the publications that have aligned themselves with him? (It is pathetic that they would do so just to make money, no matter how knowledgeable or prolific a writer.)
Personally, I couldn't care less if he was the most knowledgeable person on the planet, and could guarantee the success of my business, I wouldn't want anything to do with him. There are some things that are so heinous, they cannot be glossed over. Sexual exploitation of children is certainly one of those things.
So what is the "sub story" that "isn't widely known", and how would it temper a conviction like this?
Am I reading you wrong, or are you very laid-back on this issue?
From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#14]
23 Aug 2006
To: bobkat [#13] 23 Aug 2006
You do not expect the places he works for to advertise that fact, do you?
From: UncleSteve [#15]
23 Aug 2006
To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#14] 23 Aug 2006
As bad as what he did IS, it has no direct connection to his sublimation teaching..... they didn't find any 4.25" x 4.25" tiles with kids on them to my knowledge.
I won't buy/read/promote his book based on my opinion of his ethics, but I also won't try to equate one with the other.
From: bobkat [#16]
23 Aug 2006
To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#14] 23 Aug 2006
From: bobkat [#17]
23 Aug 2006
To: UncleSteve [#15] 23 Aug 2006
That statement does exactly that.
Frankly, I'm surprised there are not more people upset about what is happening. There used to be a hard line that you didn't cross under penalty of life-long disgrace attached to your name. It is a sad state that now it just isn't that big a deal to most people, that they are more concerned about making money.
EDITED: 23 Aug 2006 by BOBKAT
From: JHayes55 [#18]
23 Aug 2006
To: ALL
Steve was in LV at the ARA show last year. He did not have a group of followers trailing him around as he did in the past. Personally I found him to be somewhat narrow minded in many subjects long before he became a convicted man. He spoke out against vector beds and air assist on lasers saying that both were just useless add on items for laser companies to sell.
Then he someone gave him an after market laser bed to test. suddenly the became a believer!! Then he caught his own laser on fire during a vector cut - someone gave him a new laser with air assist to use - guess what air assist became the next thing that he touted as better than slice bread - all the while those of us who used them knew that he was full of _______ hot air! This is all recorded in his early teachings and then recanted in his writings in one or more trade journals.
As far as his conviction - 51 days a 5 years for sex crime against children - shows how far our society has lowered itself. 51 whippings a day for 5 years is not enough. I am not sure that I have ever posted anything about how I feel about this before but I think he needs to crawl back under his rock. By the way did you know he was an ex-minister!
From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) [#19]
23 Aug 2006
To: JHayes55 [#18] 23 Aug 2006
It is quite obvious how many on this forum feel about him. Past threads prove that, and so does this one.
He was NOT invited to join this forum and will never receive an invitation. If I put up a poll asking if he should be invited, it would probably be the most answered poll in the history of the forum, and probably the most lopsided.
From: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES) [#20]
23 Aug 2006
To: JHayes55 [#18] 23 Aug 2006
EDITED: 23 Aug 2006 by DATAKES
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