Gold Embossing - Engraving Etc. Forum

From:	JimK (JUSTTHE4OFUS)	10 Feb 2006
To:	PenTrophy (PENINSULATROPHY)	3 of 19

2936.3 In reply to 2936.2

Mark,

Vendor/supplier(s)?

Thx,
Jim

Jim Kenndy, Sr.
Just the 4 of Us Engraving
York, Maine
ULS 25W with rotary, MPX-60 impact
"Lost, but making good time."

"When nothing seems to help, I go and look at a stone-cutter, hammering away at his rock perhaps 100 times without as much as a crack showing. Yet at the 101st blow, it will split in two, and I know it was not that blow that did it, but all that had gone before." - Unknown

From:	Stunt Engraver (DGL)	10 Feb 2006
To:	JimK (JUSTTHE4OFUS)	4 of 19

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Jim, Kingsley, was once a household name, for hot stamping equipment. They went out of business (about 10 years ago?). You should be able to find used desktop models and accessories on ebay. If you just want to put names on bibles, etc., you'll only need a couple of typefaces. David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri DGL Engraving Port Hueneme, CA

From:	Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)	11 Feb 2006
To:	JimK (JUSTTHE4OFUS)	6 of 19

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The old Kingsleys require a feel. That means experience on non-customers product. I have one of those machines and do not use it. You need to set type and to make a change in type you need to wait about 20 minutes for it to cool to unset it, then about ten minutes for the newly set type to heat up.

For leather you need to use true gold foil. The standard gold foil is brass and turns green within a week on leather due to the large amount of tannic acid in the leather. (That is where tanned leather came from.)

Philadelphia, PA (Really Bensalem)

Harvey's Tips Page When you finally understand it completely... it changes.

From:	Stunt Engraver (DGL)	11 Feb 2006
To:	Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)	7 of 19

2936.7 In reply to 2936.6

Harvey,

When I remove type from a hotstamping machine, I set it on a metal surface. Cools very quickly.

I set the new line and by the time I put the previous letters back in their case, the new line is ready to go.

There are "crossover" foils that emulate true gold foil.

Any hand-operated hot stamping machine requires an acquired feel for heat, pressure and dwell time.

I only occasionally use the Kingsley machine. Most of the work I do is on a Kwikprint.

When I say "most" of the work, I mean the times I get someone to pop for my $30 minimum charge, which isn't very often.

Perfect! I don't want to go through the motions, for any less than that.

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

EDITED: 11 Feb 2006 by DGL

From:	JimK (JUSTTHE4OFUS)	23 Feb 2006
To:	ALL	8 of 19

2936.8 In reply to 2936.7

I finally "won" a Kingsley machine on E-Bay this week. Wow, the bidding on these is cut-throat as well as any type fonts that come up. On the good side there are a fair number of them out there for sale at any givin time and they seem to be reliable. I have seen some people buying multiple machines, could be spare parts or stock-piling, interesting. So soon I will at least enter this on an entry level and then go from there. All the ribbon stuff intrigues me.

Thanks all!

Jim

Jim Kenndy, Sr.
Just the 4 of Us Engraving
York, Maine

ULS 25W with rotary, MPX-60 impact printer, CrystalBalst 3624 system with Letralite, 60 gal compressor, NH IS400 Volume with extended cylindrical capacity, Kingsley hot stamp foil press, and too few hours in a day!

"If we can't do it, it can't be done."

From:	Stunt Engraver (DGL)	23 Feb 2006
To:	JimK (JUSTTHE4OFUS)	9 of 19

2936.9 In reply to 2936.8
Congratulations Jim! A new dimension to your already extensive line of services. :-) David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri DGL Engraving Port Hueneme, CA

From:	MR C (MOSHE)	23 Feb 2006
To:	Stunt Engraver (DGL)	10 of 19

2936.10 In reply to 2936.9

Is there a method to "gold stamp" on leather?

Is there someone who sells an attachment (similar to what Signature has)that goes on my rotary engraver that does gold stamping?

From:	Stunt Engraver (DGL)	23 Feb 2006
To:	MR C (MOSHE)	11 of 19

2936.11 In reply to 2936.10
Mr. C, I haven't seen the Signature attachment, to know how it works. Traditionally, gold foil is placed under a heated die, which is applied to the leather with pressure, releasing gold foil in the image of the die. David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri DGL Engraving Port Hueneme, CA

From:	PenTrophy (PENINSULATROPHY)	23 Feb 2006
To:	MR C (MOSHE)	13 of 19

2936.13 In reply to 2936.10
Here is an attachment Newing-Hall used to carry.......maybe it will give you some ideas.. .... ... .. . Mark In the Great Northwest!
EDITED: 19 Feb 2007 by PENINSULATROPHY

From:	MR C (MOSHE)	23 Feb 2006
To:	PenTrophy (PENINSULATROPHY)	14 of 19

2936.14 In reply to 2936.13

Whoa!! You guys are great!!!

This forum is faster than a phone call!!

Do you know if this was a cost/labor/time/quality effective piece?

From:	PenTrophy (PENINSULATROPHY)	23 Feb 2006
To:	MR C (MOSHE)	15 of 19

2936.15 In reply to 2936.14
Like all after market attachments that are rigged to run on someone elses machine, getting the feed rate, heat level and pressure correct would be an ever challenging venture. In otherwords, I don't know........... they did not sell very many I would sepculate, because the letter presses were big when they introduced the attachment. .... ... .. . Mark In the Great Northwest!

From:	Stunt Engraver (DGL)	23 Feb 2006
To:	MR C (MOSHE)	17 of 19

2936.17 In reply to 2936.14
quote: Whoa!! You guys are great!!! This forum is faster than a phone call!! We tried to warn you, through the start page. We take our slogan very seriously. :-) David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri DGL Engraving Port Hueneme, CA

From:	Stunt Engraver (DGL)	23 Feb 2006
To:	MR C (MOSHE)	19 of 19

2936.19 In reply to 2936.18
Mr. C, We have no control over that. All we can do is put the "truth in advertising" out there. :-) David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri DGL Engraving Port Hueneme, CA