Hi Rodney,

I think you made your points accurately and clearly.

Your posts have been the single biggest reason I tune into the forum. With your departure there is far less value for me here. I have 10+ years experience engraving and come here to leech information about other processes that you and few others bring to this forum. You have been an ispiration for me and many others I'm sure. If I were to ever travel to your part of the world, you'd be on my short list of things to see :-) 

While I understand David's direction and agree with his goals of making a profit, I am in complete disagreeance with his methods and model.

As a result I will continue to leech here freely until the time comes when I can not BUT my participation will now be directed to

http://www.engravingetcfree.com

or whatever name it becomes. hope to read you there ;-) 

Will

since you are always talking about DSSI as your "sister" site, I must assume you are referring to me? Trying to get a new conspiracy theory going? :P 

It's easy enough to check David.

You can see IP addresses on posts and using your admin utility. I have 2 static IP addresses. I have no idea if I have logged in here with one or two but most likely at some point I have used both of them (if not I would be happy to provide you with both numbers by logging out and logging back in using the other one).

Do either of my IP addresses match sprinter's?

The other way would be to look at the whois data to see who registered the site (and no, we don't go looking for someone to register sites for us).

I really have enough headaches with one site, I don't need more. People who want to may post in the Engraving Folder I setup on DSSI. Yes, it was going to be temporary but I am taking your advice and going to leave it there. I may also setup an embroidery folder since many of my users also do embroidery. No need to setup another forum, there are plenty of embroidery forums out there too. It would be just like your dye sub folder, nice to have a quick place to drop a question if needed wihtout logging into other forums.

Good luck.
Cherie

Cherie,

You finally have confused me.

If you replied to the proper post, I cannot see what you are referring to.

Do you mean we think you are sprinter? Never entered my mind. Why should you take that on in addition to your already overloaded schedule? You are doing a good job on DSSI, and do not need any more overload.

David said in another post that the engraving folder in DSSI might be temporary or may not be temporary. My opinion is that is your choice and I have no reason to look for it to be one way or the other.

Your forum gave David the courage to start this one, for that we are all very grateful. There are nothing but warm feelings toward you and DSSI. There are times I am not sure you know that. Overwork can make some short answers that can look differently than what the mean, so I always give you the benefit of the doubt. I have known you for a long time and like you as a person and as a forum Wizard. (Term of the top forum person, for the unfamiliar. On Beehive it is called the Queen Bee.)

Philadelphia, PA (Really Bensalem)

Harvey's Tips Page When you finally understand it completely... it changes.

yes, it sounds to me like David seems to think I am sprinter... he is referring to "sibling" and he is always referring to DSSI as the "sister site"

ask him.

It sounds to other people that way too because someone else told me about that post. I came to find out what it really said.

I don't care. I know it's not me and he can think whatever he wants. He should just check things that are easily checkable before making accusations like that.

My problem Is that I do not see the insinuation. Maybe I am just thick or have my own personal filters on.

Whichever, peace and good wishes to you.

Philadelphia, PA (Really Bensalem)

Harvey's Tips Page When you finally understand it completely... it changes.

And I read that as sprinter's site being a child/sibling site of EE.

I just do not see your connection, although the words might be able to be interpreted like that. I know for certain that he is not 'out to get you'.

Off tracking this discussion is a good endeavor.

Philadelphia, PA (Really Bensalem)

Harvey's Tips Page When you finally understand it completely... it changes.

Aha, the plot thickens.

(Or is that the plot sickens.) :-) 

Philadelphia, PA (Really Bensalem)

Harvey's Tips Page When you finally understand it completely... it changes.

Wrong button, this should be "reply to ALL." :-) 

Well, this thread has certainly created a lot of heat and friction among a community that was previously almost religious about courtesy. (At least from what I've observed in the short time I've been here.)

If anything, this thread has revealed so much about so much. If any good should come out of this I would hope it would be that parties on both sides could learn to open up thier minds about the other side of the coin. A closed mind just locks in the darkness. :S 

If the bickering stops, and the understanding begins, then even greater opportunities for new ideas, advancement and cooperation from opposing sides could yield an even greater combined entity.

It's funny, I can see and agree with the point of all the posts except for the parts where insults and criticism are implied or plainly stated.

Though, If I'm to be understanding about that, I guess I have to understand that not everyone has the same degree of diplomatic ability. We all have positive abilities in different amounts. The trick is, to use all our positive abilities--whether diplomacy, forgiveness, understanding or even intelligence etc.-- in a good way and not let our pride sneak in negative motives for them.

It just saddens me to see a community torn in half like this. Maybe I'm wrong and people are just venting, but I'm new here and was just starting to really enjoy getting to know people and contributing and now it seems to be ending.

Just for the record, I won't be joining the "pay" site for reasons I stated previously. I don't have any hard feelings about this though toward anyone. Just a little sad because like I said, to have just discoverd this place and now to see this happening, well, it's just kind of a bummer. :'-( 

Well this has been an E-ticket ride for the past few days. Score another one to the almighty dollar for screwing up a good thing. Thats not a dig at you David, i had no idea you planned to do this, but that my fault. I didnt read deep enough or it was in a thread that didnt peak my interest. I dont join pay sites on the internet, never have never will.

Happy Trails
Clay

I also will not be joining the "pay" forum once its up.
I wish you the best of luck for the future.

An alternative, That I would more than jump for is if it was a yearly donation of say bout $50.00.

As I am in another forum that I and others donate yearly.
We are given to our accounts extra options to a artwork folder
where we share and can request files that we've made/done
and also the option to post in another folder for selling.

They also have the option to donate more to get a "merchant" option where we can advertise our products to other forum members.

They been doing it for about 2 years now and they've grown bigger than anyone had imaged (3,628 users) when they converted over.

Here are the options that they give, might help you out for ideas:

Contributing Member:
This is a voluntary, renewable membership fee for those Registered Members wishing to help defray cost of operating the forum.
1 Year - US$50.00
6 Months - US$30.00
3 Months - US$17.50
1 Month - US$7.50

Merchant Member (Job Shop):
For shops in the engraving, embroidery, sublimation, signmaking, screen printing, digital printing & other areas. This allows you to create new threads in the Merchant Classified Forum to make announcements and, in general, to promote your products and services.
1 Year - US$150.00

Merchant Membership (Supplier):
For manufacturers, resellers, distributors & others not involved in operating a engraving, embroidery, sublimation, signmaking, screen printing, digital printing business. Membership allows you to create new threads in the Merchant Classified Forum to make announcements & to promote your products & services.
1 Year - US$300.00

I've listened to the opinons and have decided to leave this forum free, although it will be headed by another moderator.

I've contacted a person who I feel would make an excellent choice. If he declines my offer, it will be up to the membership to decide who they wish to run the forum.

Once the subscription side is established, I'll continue to participate, as time allows.

How sad is all this..?

I cant believe we have all witnessed this turning into a tit for tat public slanging match...

and the behind the scenes contributions of members being brought forward, then a bucket of humiliation dropped on them...that in my opinion is not very nice... ( how embarrasing :-$ )

My 2 cents worth here is ,David, please dont write disparaging remarks about contributors, their writing styles etc...

:-( 

Keep those things to yourself...

( remember , " If you dont have anything nice to say...dont say anything at all" )

Before anyone else lights into me about defending etc...the best defence here is my last 2 statements.

This has descended into really poor form.... :-( 

Peter