It's not about Immigration - Engraving Etc. Forum

<body> <h1>Full Version: <a href="https://www.engravingetc.org:443/archive/index.php?webtag=EE&msg=3707.29">It's not about Immigration</a></h1><a name="a3707_29"></a><p><b>From: UCONN Dave &amp; Lynn too (DANDL48)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3707.29">#29</a>]<br /> 4 May 2006<br /><b>To: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3707.28">#28</a>] 4 May 2006</p> Brian,<br /> <br /> No government spying??? Typed an answer to your post and the forum crashed. Obviously the Admin has infected my computer tracking my keystrokes!!<br /> <br /> Removing tongue in cheek, you asked <div class="quotetext" id="code"><b>code:</b></div><pre class="code">You have a problem with tapping people that are suspected terrorists that are making outside calls to other countries?</pre><br /> <br /> Are you saying that they are not tapping suspected terrorists that are making calls to other people inside the USA? Just as long as it is legal I have no problem, but it has to be a suspect, not all calls.<br /> <br /> More later <hr /><a name="a3707_30"></a><p><b>From: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3707.30">#30</a>]<br /> 4 May 2006<br /><b>To: UCONN Dave &amp; Lynn too (DANDL48)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3707.29">#29</a>] 4 May 2006</p> <div class="quotetext" id="quote"><b>quote: </b></div><div class="quote">Are you saying that they are not tapping suspected terrorists that are making calls to other people inside the USA? Just as long as it is legal I have no problem, but it has to be a suspect, not all calls.</div><br /> <br /> <br /> I see nothing to support the suggestion of illegal activity by this administration when it comes to tapping phones.<br /> <br /> In this post..... <br /> <br /> <div class="quotetext" id="quote"><b>quote: </b></div><div class="quote">Bush has already been tapping our phones and taking away more and more of our Constitutional rights in the name of security. <br /> </div><br /> <br /> You suggested that this administration will/might tap anyone....This is false. That was clearly addressed by the administration when the media overblew the coverage on their discovery of the administrations tapping policy. Their policy does not include tapping anyone other than suspected terrorist, specificaly calling outside of the USA.....<br /> <br /> If you are suggesting that the administration is lying about this policy, I'm sure that if there was any proof of this that the liberal media would be all over it. There isn't, and they aren't.<br /> <br /> I don't know of anyone fitting this description, but if I did.....I would want them to be tapped.<br /> <br /> Like I said...I'm a conservative republican (not necessarily a happy one).....You don't need to make stuff up to criticize the conservative side of the aisel......There's plenty of stuff like border softness, lack of action on their original agenda, Fuel prices, and a host of other things with which to complain about to go around......Illegal phone tapping just isn't on the list...... <span class="e_smile" title=":)"><span class="e__">:)</span> </span> <hr /><a name="a3707_31"></a><p><b>From: UCONN Dave &amp; Lynn too (DANDL48)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3707.31">#31</a>]<br /> 4 May 2006<br /><b>To: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3707.30">#30</a>] 4 May 2006</p> <p>Brian,</p> <p>Can you show me in what law or in our Constitution where it says ANYONE can wiretap someone at any time without a warrant. </p> <p>This Nation was founded on Laws.</p> <hr /><a name="a3707_32"></a><p><b>From: Ken D. (KDEVORY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3707.32">#32</a>]<br /> 4 May 2006<br /><b>To: ALL</b></p> I didn't save the link to the article, but there was a study done on political "issues" using brain scans. It showed that the parts of the brain associated with emotion were active, not those associated with logic. People might say they are open minded and just looking at the facts, but the study proved they are emotionally guarding their own perspectives. <hr /><a name="a3707_33"></a><p><b>From: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3707.33">#33</a>]<br /> 4 May 2006<br /><b>To: UCONN Dave &amp; Lynn too (DANDL48)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3707.31">#31</a>] 4 May 2006</p> <p>Show me where what they are doing is illegal. If the left could...don't you think they would be charging them with breaking the law??? If for nothing less than politics?</p> <p> </p> <p>Just because I can't show you where it says they can, it doesn't mean that they can't......And I personally agree with what they are doing.....It makes logical sense. For once, what the government is doing makes sense, and you have to complain about it <span class="e_wink" title=";)"><span class="e__">;)</span> </span></p> <hr /><a name="a3707_34"></a><p><b>From: UCONN Dave &amp; Lynn too (DANDL48)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3707.34">#34</a>]<br /> 4 May 2006<br /><b>To: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3707.33">#33</a>] 4 May 2006</p> I stand corrected, mea culpa. In searching to prove you wrong I came upon this.<br /> <br /> <br /> The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 allows wiretapping of aliens and citizens in the US based on a finding of probable cause to believe that the target is a member of a foreign terrorist group or an agent of a foreign power. For US citizens and permanent resident aliens, there must also be probable cause to believe that the person is engaged in activities that "may" involve a criminal violation. Suspicion of illegal activity is not required in the case of aliens who are not permanent residents ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¯Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¿Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â½ for them, membership in a terrorist group is enough, even if their activities on behalf of the group are legal.<br /> It appears that 2000 was the last time figures were published. I find the last sentence interesting.<br /> <br /> Nor does the figure of 1,190 approved wiretaps surveillances for 2000 cover the separate set of authorizations issued by a select group of federal judges, operating under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), who yearly issue nearly 1,000 interception and physical search orders in foreign counterintelligence and international terrorism cases (1,012 in 2000) (It is hard to tell, given the classified nature of the court's proceedings, how many wiretaps these orders entail. Some of the orders are good for one year, while some require reauthorization every ninety days, so some targets are the subject of four orders in a year. On the other hand, one order may authorize multiple taps. Plus, starting in 1996, the figures for the FISA court included physical searches ("black bag jobs") which are probably relatively few in number.) <font color="#FF0000">In its entire existence, since 1978, the FISA court has only twice (once in 1980 and once in 1997) refused a government request for electronic surveillance authority.</font><p class="edit_text">EDITED: 4 May 2006 by HARVEY-ONLY</p> <hr /><a name="a3707_35"></a><p><b>From: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3707.35">#35</a>]<br /> 4 May 2006<br /><b>To: UCONN Dave &amp; Lynn too (DANDL48)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3707.34">#34</a>] 4 May 2006</p> <p>Well I think we are both more educated now....... </p> <p>I "think"....</p> <p><br /> Honestly, I give you credit for even trying to find proof <span class="e_wink" title=";)"><span class="e__">;)</span> </span></p> <hr /><p align="center">Show messages:  <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3707.1">1-8</a>  <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=3707.9">9-28</a>  29-35</p> <h4><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=EE">Back to thread list</a> | <a href="llogout.php?webtag=EE">Login</a></h4> <h6>© 2025 <a href="http://www.beehiveforum.net/" target="_blank">Project Beehive Forum</a></h6> </body>