New Book by Stephen Spence/2005 Conviction - Engraving Etc. Forum

<body> <h1>Full Version: <a href="https://www.engravingetc.org:443/archive/index.php?webtag=EE&msg=4669.9">New Book by Stephen Spence/2005 Conviction</a></h1><a name="a4669_9"></a><p><b>From: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=4669.9">#9</a>]<br /> 23 Aug 2006<br /><b>To: UncleSteve</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=4669.8">#8</a>] 23 Aug 2006</p> You know the drill Steve..... <span class="e_smile" title=":)"><span class="e__">:)</span> </span> <hr /><a name="a4669_10"></a><p><b>From: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=4669.10">#10</a>]<br /> 23 Aug 2006<br /><b>To: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=4669.9">#9</a>] 23 Aug 2006</p> <p>Brian,</p> <p>I hadn't heard how that whole situation ended up, but seeing him on the West Virginia sex offenders list with multiple victims is all I need to know. One's character can't get any lower than that. WOW! What are these publishers thinking?</p> <hr /><a name="a4669_11"></a><p><b>From: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=4669.11">#11</a>]<br /> 23 Aug 2006<br /><b>To: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=4669.10">#10</a>] 23 Aug 2006</p> <div class="quotetext" id="quote"><b>quote: </b></div><div class="quote">What are these publishers thinking?<br /> </div><br /> <br /> David,<br /> <br /> I'm sure they're thinking about selling magazines/books through a recognizeable name within the industry.<br /> <br /> To my knowledge, there isn't a more prolific writer in our industry.<br /> <br /> On the grand scale, the "sub story" isn't widely known.<br /> <br /> I have no doubt there are some very valuable tips in the book. During his (past) career as a seminar speaker, Stephen has spoken to virtually thousands of people.<p class="edit_text">EDITED: 23 Aug 2006 by DGL</p> <hr /><a name="a4669_12"></a><p><b>From: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=4669.12">#12</a>]<br /> 23 Aug 2006<br /><b>To: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=4669.11">#11</a>] 23 Aug 2006</p> <div class="quotetext" id="quote"><b>quote: </b></div><div class="quote">On the grand scale, the "sub story" isn't widely known.<br /> </div><br /> <br /> I'n not too concerned about how many people know, but I am concerned about the views of those who do know and don't seem to be bothered by his behavior. <hr /><a name="a4669_13"></a><p><b>From: bobkat</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=4669.13">#13</a>]<br /> 23 Aug 2006<br /><b>To: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=4669.11">#11</a>] 23 Aug 2006</p> <p>David,<br /> I'm not sure I understand your post; are you defending Mr. Spence, or just the publications that have aligned themselves with him? (It is pathetic that they would do so just to make money, no matter how knowledgeable or prolific a writer.)</p> <p>Personally, I couldn't care less if he was the most knowledgeable person on the planet, and could guarantee the success of my business, I wouldn't want anything to do with him. There are some things that are so heinous, they cannot be glossed over. Sexual exploitation of children is certainly one of those things. </p> <p>So what is the "sub story" that "isn't widely known", and how would it temper a conviction like this?<br /> Am I reading you wrong, or are you very laid-back on this issue?</p><hr /><a name="a4669_14"></a><p><b>From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=4669.14">#14</a>]<br /> 23 Aug 2006<br /><b>To: bobkat</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=4669.13">#13</a>] 23 Aug 2006</p> The sub-story <b>IS</b> his conviction. Of course that did not get much press, except here.<br /> <br /> You do not expect the places he works for to advertise that fact, do you? <hr /><a name="a4669_15"></a><p><b>From: UncleSteve</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=4669.15">#15</a>]<br /> 23 Aug 2006<br /><b>To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=4669.14">#14</a>] 23 Aug 2006</p> His conviction is not the sub-story...... unless he was writing children's books and/or holding readings for the kids.<br /> <br /> As bad as what he did IS, it has no direct connection to his sublimation teaching..... they didn't find any 4.25" x 4.25" tiles with kids on them to my knowledge.<br /> <br /> I won't buy/read/promote his book based on my opinion of his ethics, but I also won't try to equate one with the other. <hr /><a name="a4669_16"></a><p><b>From: bobkat</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=4669.16">#16</a>]<br /> 23 Aug 2006<br /><b>To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=4669.14">#14</a>] 23 Aug 2006</p> What I would expect is that the places he works for become the places he USED to work for.<hr /><a name="a4669_17"></a><p><b>From: bobkat</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=4669.17">#17</a>]<br /> 23 Aug 2006<br /><b>To: UncleSteve</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=4669.15">#15</a>] 23 Aug 2006</p> You can't separate the man from his actions, they affect everything about him, including his sublimation teachings. <br /> <br /> <div class="quotetext" id="quote"><b>quote: </b></div><div class="quote">I won't buy/read/promote his book based on my opinion of his ethics, but I also won't try to equate one with the other.</div><br /> <br /> That statement does exactly that.<br /> <br /> Frankly, I'm surprised there are not more people upset about what is happening. There used to be a hard line that you didn't cross under penalty of life-long disgrace attached to your name. It is a sad state that now it just isn't that big a deal to most people, that they are more concerned about making money.<p class="edit_text">EDITED: 23 Aug 2006 by BOBKAT</p> <hr /><a name="a4669_18"></a><p><b>From: JHayes55</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=4669.18">#18</a>]<br /> 23 Aug 2006<br /><b>To: ALL</b></p> <p>Steve was in LV at the ARA show last year. He did not have a group of followers trailing him around as he did in the past. Personally I found him to be somewhat narrow minded in many subjects long before he became a convicted man. He spoke out against vector beds and air assist on lasers saying that both were just useless add on items for laser companies to sell.<br /> Then he someone gave him an after market laser bed to test. suddenly the became a believer!! Then he caught his own laser on fire during a vector cut - someone gave him a new laser with air assist to use - guess what air assist became the next thing that he touted as better than slice bread - all the while those of us who used them knew that he was full of _______ hot air! This is all recorded in his early teachings and then recanted in his writings in one or more trade journals. <br /> As far as his conviction - 51 days a 5 years for sex crime against children - shows how far our society has lowered itself. 51 whippings a day for 5 years is not enough. I am not sure that I have ever posted anything about how I feel about this before but I think he needs to crawl back under his rock. By the way did you know he was an ex-minister!</p> <hr /><a name="a4669_19"></a><p><b>From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=4669.19">#19</a>]<br /> 23 Aug 2006<br /><b>To: JHayes55</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=4669.18">#18</a>] 23 Aug 2006</p> <p>It is quite obvious how many on this forum feel about him. Past threads prove that, and so does this one.</p> <p>He was NOT invited to join this forum and will never receive an invitation. If I put up a poll asking if he should be invited, it would probably be the most answered poll in the history of the forum, and probably the most lopsided.</p> <hr /><a name="a4669_20"></a><p><b>From: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=4669.20">#20</a>]<br /> 23 Aug 2006<br /><b>To: JHayes55</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=4669.18">#18</a>] 23 Aug 2006</p> This thread has gotten a little off topic, maybe we should change the title to something more applicable. How should it read?<p class="edit_text">EDITED: 23 Aug 2006 by DATAKES</p> <hr /><a name="a4669_21"></a><p><b>From: Dee (DEENA-ONLY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=4669.21">#21</a>]<br /> 23 Aug 2006<br /><b>To: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=4669.20">#20</a>] 23 Aug 2006</p> <p>Why I don't want to know Stephen Spence</p> <p>Dee</p> <hr /><a name="a4669_22"></a><p><b>From: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=4669.22">#22</a>]<br /> 23 Aug 2006<br /><b>To: bobkat</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=4669.13">#13</a>] 23 Aug 2006</p> <p>Bobkat,</p> <p>I'm not condemning or praising Stephen Spence and I have no control over those who align themselves with Stephen.</p> <p>I'm not one of them.</p> <p>I merely announced the release of the book and said there are probably some very good tips in the book. I think that's a fair enough statement.</p> <p>My position is, by the laws of our land, no matter how inadequate or unjust they can sometimes be, Stephen's done his time and is entitled to make a living.</p> <p>I seriously doubt the people who claim to be utterly outraged, are angered to the point where they'd be proactive enough to take their case to the top of the food chain.</p> <p>Ultimately, I'd call that a laid back position on their part.</p><p class="edit_text">EDITED: 24 Aug 2006 by DGL</p> <hr /><a name="a4669_23"></a><p><b>From: UCONN Dave &amp; Lynn too (DANDL48)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=4669.23">#23</a>]<br /> 23 Aug 2006<br /><b>To: JHayes55</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=4669.18">#18</a>] 23 Aug 2006</p> Joe,<br /> <br /> You said it all for me. Thanks<br /> <br /> Dave <hr /><a name="a4669_24"></a><p><b>From: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=4669.24">#24</a>]<br /> 23 Aug 2006<br /><b>To: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=4669.22">#22</a>] 24 Aug 2006</p> By taking it to the top of the food chain, do you mean having a talk with Mike Neer? Doesn't he frequent this board? I could have sworn that he had visited at one time or another. I will contact him with a link to this thread. <div class="sig"><p>Thanks,</p> <p>Brian Genrich</p> <p><br /> <b><font color="#ff0000">Rallye Productions Inc.</font></b> <br /> <b>1-800-236-2036 x112</b><br /> <i>Custom cut, or sheet stock Sublimatable metal,<br /> Screen printing, and other digital print services. </i></p> ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã¢â‚¬Å“I am neither especially clever nor especially gifted. I am only very, very curious.ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Albert Einstein</div><p class="edit_text">EDITED: 23 Aug 2006 by RALLYGUY1</p> <hr /><a name="a4669_25"></a><p><b>From: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=4669.25">#25</a>]<br /> 24 Aug 2006<br /><b>To: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=4669.22">#22</a>] 24 Aug 2006</p> <p>Based on your suggestion/challenge to take it to the top of the food chain, I invited Mike Neer to view this thread and add any comments on his opinion based on the information I sent him in the link to the West Virginia Sex Offender Registry regarding J. Stephen Spence.</p> <p>My hope is that he will reply here. If not, I mentioned in my e-mail to him that I would be happy to report his opinion back to the forum.</p> <p>Every person that I know that ever dealt with Mike Neer has had good things to say about the man. I can only expect that he will do what is appropriate based on what he see's here.</p> <p>I don't care what job the man (Stephen Spence) has elswhere as he moves on with his life, I just don't think it's appropriate to have him representing "our" industry any longer.</p> <hr /><a name="a4669_26"></a><p><b>From: JHayes55</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=4669.26">#26</a>]<br /> 24 Aug 2006<br /><b>To: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=4669.20">#20</a>] 24 Aug 2006</p> <p>David - I am not good with titles so - not much help from me there. I am not too sure how off topic we are. My post simply started off to say that even if Steve's sick-o behavior had not come to light, I had lost all faith in his teaching some time ago. To be exact over 5 years ago at a show, sponsored by what was then Mike Neer's trade mag. called PPI (it think) in Kansas City - I went to two seminars by Steve and one panel discussion he was a part of. It was at that time I observed that he was very closed minded and if you did not agree with the way he thought he would put you down - as he did several people in the audience during his seminars. To then see him within a few months publish articles - praising the exact products that he put down (and put you down if you used them) - put him into perspective. He may have a ton of knowledge but - I will get mine somewhere else. There are several people on this forum who could do a 100x better job of producing well written, insightful and knowledge based articles (I am sure as heck not one). But mostly those people would be open minded enough not slam something before they had knowledge of it.</p> <p>I know and respect Mike Neer, he has never done anything but help me and help me learn more about my business. The two trade shows that I went to (Kansas City and Atlanta that he set up) were of a great assistance to me when I was still in the early stages of my business. Both trade shows offered good seminars and a good chance to meet some great suppliers. I don't agree with him about continuing to use someone like Steve - that is his choice. Same with the EJ.<br /> I can choose not to read Steve's articles and I can choose not to buy his products - Thank the Lord I live in the USA. <br /> I have always tried to live that if I disagree with someone - it does not mean I cannot like them or learn from them - I do not always agee with my very best friends - what I will not stand for is seeing someone put someone else down because they do not totally agee with there way of thinking. (not sure that all made sense - told you I am not a writer).</p> <p>Ok I am off the soap box - too much to do - many times I stay quite on these types of discussions but this one fired me up!</p> <p>David this whole thing was not pointed a you - I just got caught up in the whole thing.</p> <hr /><a name="a4669_27"></a><p><b>From: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=4669.27">#27</a>]<br /> 24 Aug 2006<br /><b>To: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=4669.25">#25</a>] 24 Aug 2006</p> Thank you Brian.<br /> <br /> You're a man of conviction and I appreciate that. Too many people claim to have a cause, but do nothing substantial to advance that cause.<br /> <br /> I think Mike Neer was a visitor to DSSI, but to my knowledge, unless he's entered as a guest, is unaware of EE.<br /> <br /> I guess that will be changing soon. <hr /><a name="a4669_28"></a><p><b>From: JHayes55</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=4669.28">#28</a>]<br /> 24 Aug 2006<br /><b>To: RALLYGUY (RALLYGUY1)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=4669.25">#25</a>] 24 Aug 2006</p> Brian - I see while I was composing my soapbox speech you were taking action. Cannot wait to see if Mike Neer post about this. 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