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<body> <h1>Full Version: <a href="https://www.engravingetc.org:443/archive/index.php?webtag=EE&msg=5104.16">Rainforests...our world dissapearing</a></h1><a name="a5104_16"></a><p><b>From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=5104.16">#16</a>]<br /> 17 Oct 2006<br /><b>To: basehorawards</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=5104.15">#15</a>] 17 Oct 2006</p> <div class="quotetext" id="quote"><b>quote: </b></div><div class="quote">It would be hijacking the thread to start talking about the perception of the natives being "savages" and that being justification for killing those who did not die of disease or convert - especially when comparing them to what was going on in Europe at the same time so I won't start. </div><br /> <br /> Anyone who did not have their religious beliefs were savages. Hmm, that is a pretty savage set of beliefs in itself. Liken it to what is happening today. <hr /><a name="a5104_17"></a><p><b>From: basehorawards</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=5104.17">#17</a>]<br /> 17 Oct 2006<br /><b>To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=5104.16">#16</a>] 17 Oct 2006</p> One of the other reasons besides religion used to justify the killing was the human sacrifices. When these guys fought they fought to capture. when the war was over they killed the captured enemies as sacrifices to their gods. In europe they fought to kill and when they won the killed all the rest of the males including the young, old and infirm, and raped the women. So much more civilized. <hr /><a name="a5104_18"></a><p><b>From: LaZerDude (C_BURKE)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=5104.18">#18</a>]<br /> 17 Oct 2006<br /><b>To: basehorawards</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=5104.15">#15</a>] 17 Oct 2006</p> <div class="quotetext" id="quote"><b>quote: </b></div><div class="quote">........arrogance cost humanity so much.</div><br /> <br /> <br /> James, <br /> What I find even more sad is that that same arrogance continues to cost us today. We ( humans ) are NOT owners of this planet, we are caretakers and not very good ones at that. <span class="e_sad" title=":-("><span class="e__">:-(</span> </span> <hr /><a name="a5104_19"></a><p><b>From: basehorawards</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=5104.19">#19</a>]<br /> 17 Oct 2006<br /><b>To: LaZerDude (C_BURKE)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=5104.18">#18</a>] 17 Oct 2006</p> <div class="quotetext" id="quote"><b>quote: </b></div><div class="quote">What I find even more sad is that that same arrogance continues to cost us today. We ( humans ) are NOT owners of this planet, we are caretakers and not very good ones at that.</div><br /> <br /> So true. A lot of the huge raging forest fires we have had over the past 20 or so years have been because of our "management" style of putting out every fire as soon as possible. An earlier post mentioned low burning fires clearing the underbrush and helping the conifer seeds to open. When we don't let the little fires clear out the "slash" then we end up with clogged tangled messes that turn into infernos that kill all the trees instead of just scorching the bark. We hiked in Yellowstone a few years back in areas that had burned. It was very sad and yet very comforting to see nature recovering from our "management."<br /> <br /> Interestingly enough in that book "1691" (the year before Columbus discovered north america) they mention the journals of early european explores describing the skies as being full of smoke and that it seemed that the Indians were always burning the forest or the grassland. One account told of an Englishman being able to ride his horse at full gallop through the forests of New England. The indians burnt the underbrush if nature did not do it for them. Easier to hunt if there are fewer places for the animals to hide. It was only after most of the indians died or were relocated that the forests became as thick as they are today. the ones they like to call "old growth" and "pristine" are only like that because the caretakers got run off and killed. <hr /><a name="a5104_20"></a><p><b>From: LaZerDude (C_BURKE)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=5104.20">#20</a>]<br /> 17 Oct 2006<br /><b>To: basehorawards</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=5104.19">#19</a>] 17 Oct 2006</p> <p>James,<br /> I wonder what the forests did BEFORE people were here?</p> <hr /><a name="a5104_21"></a><p><b>From: basehorawards</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=5104.21">#21</a>]<br /> 17 Oct 2006<br /><b>To: LaZerDude (C_BURKE)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=5104.20">#20</a>] 17 Oct 2006</p> Good question. I like to think that they grew and died and burned according to God's design. <hr /><a name="a5104_22"></a><p><b>From: UncleSteve</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=5104.22">#22</a>]<br /> 18 Oct 2006<br /><b>To: basehorawards</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=5104.19">#19</a>] 19 Oct 2006</p> <div class="quotetext" id="quote"><b>quote: </b></div><div class="quote">enough in that book "1691" (the year before Columbus discovered north america)</div><br /> <br /> Just because!!!!!! How does that relate to the news in "1492" ???? <span class="e_devil" title="(devil)"><span class="e__">(devil)</span> </span> <hr /><a name="a5104_23"></a><p><b>From: basehorawards</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=5104.23">#23</a>]<br /> 19 Oct 2006<br /><b>To: UncleSteve</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=5104.22">#22</a>] 19 Oct 2006</p> Whoops! I have to plead victim of public schools and poor memory. I did not think that date sounded right (you know the ditty "In 1492 Columbus sailed the ocean blue...") but did not take the time to check. <hr /><p align="center">Show messages:  <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=5104.1">1-15</a>  16-23</p> <h4><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=EE">Back to thread list</a> | <a href="llogout.php?webtag=EE">Login</a></h4> <h6>© 2024 <a href="http://www.beehiveforum.net/" target="_blank">Project Beehive Forum</a></h6> </body>