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<body> <h1>Full Version: <a href="https://www.engravingetc.org:443/archive/index.php?webtag=EE&msg=828.38">Ad Specialties</a></h1><a name="a828_38"></a><p><b>From: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=828.38">#38</a>]<br /> 26 Feb 2005<br /><b>To: UncleSteve</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=828.35">#35</a>] 27 Feb 2005</p> <p>Steve,</p> <p>Could you create a link for the Yahoo (Ad specialties) group in our "Links" section, under "Related Forums"?</p> <p>Sounds like a good resource.</p> <p>Thanks,</p> <p>David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri<br /> DGL Engraving<br /> Port Hueneme, CA</p><hr /><a name="a828_39"></a><p><b>From: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=828.39">#39</a>]<br /> 27 Feb 2005<br /><b>To: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=828.38">#38</a>] 27 Feb 2005</p> <p>David,</p> <p>I have signed up to join this group. This appears to be a very private group. You really get the "20 questions" before they let you through the gate. I have still not been accepted. They must really have some good information in there that they are trying to protect.</p><p class="edit_text">EDITED: 27 Feb 2005 by DATAKES</p> <hr /><a name="a828_40"></a><p><b>From: UncleSteve</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=828.40">#40</a>]<br /> 27 Feb 2005<br /><b>To: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=828.39">#39</a>] 27 Feb 2005</p> <p>They are somewhat fussy about joining.... and for good reason.</p> <p>First, they are trying to keep it to advertising specialty distributors. </p> <p>Second, a number of members were sued by a supplier for "trying to organize a boycott" of this supplier. </p> <p>Norwood is the company doing the suing. (No relationship to SG that I know of!) The whole thing started with a thread about suppliers that also sell to end users and whether they are actively marketing to companies whose orders were initially sent in by a distributor.</p> <p>This is a VERY touchy subject with the industry as you can imagine.</p><hr /><a name="a828_41"></a><p><b>From: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=828.41">#41</a>]<br /> 27 Feb 2005<br /><b>To: UncleSteve</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=828.40">#40</a>] 27 Feb 2005</p> <p>Steve,</p> <p>We get a taste of that in our industry, but it is a major problem with the promotional products industry. I have an ASI supplier in my city who wants me to market their products, yet they have a retail operation under a different name that competes directly against me with the same products. Do you think I would stand much of a chance in a potential sale that involved bidding?</p> <p>Fortunately, they have a pretty narrow product line.</p> <p>The company owners and management are great people, they just don't recognize that they have business practices that do not sit well with those of us on the outside looking in. I have made them aware of my perception, but they continue to do as they feel fit and I continue to market their competitor's line of products in my community.</p> <hr /><a name="a828_42"></a><p><b>From: UCONN Dave &amp; Lynn too (DANDL48)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=828.42">#42</a>]<br /> 27 Feb 2005<br /><b>To: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=828.41">#41</a>] 27 Feb 2005</p> <p>David,</p> <p>Just like CIP who have a beautiful line of of crystal awards but your bumping heads with AITG which appears to be their ASI, PPAI, UPIC,SAGE IMPACT clone. Same goes with RS Owens and on and on. We can compete for the smaller orders, but when you get large volume order you are out of the ballpark.</p> <p>Dave</p> <hr /><a name="a828_43"></a><p><b>From: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=828.43">#43</a>]<br /> 27 Feb 2005<br /><b>To: UCONN Dave &amp; Lynn too (DANDL48)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=828.42">#42</a>] 27 Feb 2005</p> <p>Dave,</p> <p>RS Owens is a great example. I would be a rich man if I could have a nickel for every RS Owens plaque that was brought in by local civic organizations to have a name and date engraved on it. I bet I have not done $200 in business with RS Owens over the past 4 years because of that. I don't even offer their products to my customers.</p><p class="edit_text">EDITED: 27 Feb 2005 by DATAKES</p> <hr /><a name="a828_44"></a><p><b>From: gpvikings</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=828.44">#44</a>]<br /> 28 Feb 2005<br /><b>To: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=828.43">#43</a>] 28 Feb 2005</p> We have taken RS Owens catalogs out of our lineup as well. Several reasons the least of which is they are horrible on deadlines. Recently, a local university (longtime customer of ours) had a rush custom plaque. We called ahead to confirm they could meet a rush deadline...they confirmed they could, for a rush charge. (even email correspondence confirmed the price of the plaque & rush charge) The day it was to arrive, no RS Owens order rec'd. So we call them, there seems there was a "problem with the artwork". Considering this was a duplicate order where all they were changing was a name, this was ridiculous, but even still, there was no call to say send new artwork or now we can't meet your deadline. They just tell us "Nothing we can do!" So my customer (irate with me!) gets online & gets a direct number to RS Owens & gets the VP on the phone who tells her, he'll have the plaque rushed for her & drop shipped to her & he'll see to it beginning to end that it gets handled for her. Made us look like complete fools! They wouldn't do a thing for us...but she a higer-up from a University, he "takes care of personally!" We haven't heard much from her since then, I'm sure she now works directly with them.<hr /><a name="a828_45"></a><p><b>From: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=828.45">#45</a>]<br /> 28 Feb 2005<br /><b>To: gpvikings</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=828.44">#44</a>] Unread</p> <p>Stories of R.S. Owens "torpedoing" their wholesale customers, while cultivating retail relationships are in no short supply.</p> <p>David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri<br /> DGL Engraving<br /> Port Hueneme, CA</p><hr /><a name="a828_46"></a><p><b>From: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=828.46">#46</a>]<br /> 28 Feb 2005<br /><b>To: gpvikings</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=828.44">#44</a>] Unread</p> Can you here my RS Owens catalog hit the bottom of the trash can? <hr /><a name="a828_47"></a><p><b>From: LaZerDude (C_BURKE)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=828.47">#47</a>]<br /> 28 Feb 2005<br /><b>To: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=828.46">#46</a>] 28 Feb 2005</p> <p>David,<br /> I heard your RS Owens catalog hit the trash can all the way from Maui. </p> <p>Chuck<br /> Nameless Awards Inc.</p><hr /><a name="a828_48"></a><p><b>From: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=828.48">#48</a>]<br /> 28 Feb 2005<br /><b>To: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=828.46">#46</a>] 28 Feb 2005</p> <p>David,</p> <p>Don't throw it away. It makes a great "idea" book.</p> <p>David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri<br /> DGL Engraving<br /> Port Hueneme, CA</p><hr /><a name="a828_49"></a><p><b>From: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=828.49">#49</a>]<br /> 28 Feb 2005<br /><b>To: UncleSteve</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=828.40">#40</a>] 28 Feb 2005</p> <p>Steve,</p> <p>The practice of large companies suing online newsgroups isn't a new phenomena.</p> <p>Fortunately, a legal precedent has been set, in the form of a SLAPP law/ruling. <shrug></p> <p>The judge ruled the newsgroups were merely exercising their freedom of speech/expression. Furthermore, the judge found the sarcastic comments, contained within the threads, to be rather humorous.</p> <p>We're not in Kansas anymore, and Guttenburgh himself, (the father of print media), would be proud to see so many of our modern converations being carried out in print :-)</p> <p>Wouldn't you say?</p> <p>David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri<br /> DGL Engraving<br /> Port Hueneme, CA</p><p class="edit_text">EDITED: 28 Feb 2005 by DGL</p> <hr /><a name="a828_50"></a><p><b>From: UncleSteve</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=828.50">#50</a>]<br /> 28 Feb 2005<br /><b>To: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=828.49">#49</a>] 28 Feb 2005</p> Thank you! May I pass this info on to the people being sued? I don't know if their attorney is really up to speed on this. <hr /><a name="a828_51"></a><p><b>From: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=828.51">#51</a>]<br /> 28 Feb 2005<br /><b>To: UncleSteve</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=828.50">#50</a>] 28 Feb 2005</p> <p>Steve,</p> <p>That suit looked like it was filed back in March of 2004. If you know, in what stage is the trial in right now?</p> <hr /><a name="a828_52"></a><p><b>From: UncleSteve</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=828.52">#52</a>]<br /> 28 Feb 2005<br /><b>To: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=828.51">#51</a>] 28 Feb 2005</p> From what I know, one defendant settled on the advice of his insurance company and the others are still tied up in litigation. <hr /><a name="a828_53"></a><p><b>From: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=828.53">#53</a>]<br /> 28 Feb 2005<br /><b>To: UncleSteve</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=828.50">#50</a>] 28 Feb 2005</p> <p>Steve,</p> <p>I read that tidbit in the morning paper a while back.</p> <p>The paper I read, The Ventura County Star, may be able to point us to the source of the information. I'll check into that.</p> <p>I understand the group in question is a closed forum, but maybe some of the people, not involved in the litigation, could come here and fill us in on the "trials" and tribulations.</p> <p>David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri<br /> DGL Engraving<br /> Port Hueneme, CA</p><hr /><a name="a828_54"></a><p><b>From: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=828.54">#54</a>]<br /> 28 Feb 2005<br /><b>To: UncleSteve</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=828.52">#52</a>] 28 Feb 2005</p> <p>Steve,</p> <p>Is there a legal fund for that group of people, that could be contributed to?</p> <p>If so, I'm in.</p> <p>David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri<br /> DGL Engraving<br /> Port Hueneme, CA</p><hr /><a name="a828_55"></a><p><b>From: UncleSteve</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=828.55">#55</a>]<br /> 28 Feb 2005<br /><b>To: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=828.54">#54</a>] 28 Feb 2005</p> <p>Yes, there is a legal fund set up. I don't know how they would react to an "outsider" but David Takes is now a member and he can ask for you.</p> <p>As you can understand, they are very touchy about discussing the law suit since it is still in progress.</p> <p> </p> <hr /><a name="a828_56"></a><p><b>From: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=828.56">#56</a>]<br /> 28 Feb 2005<br /><b>To: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=828.55">#55</a>] 28 Feb 2005</p> <p>David,</p> <p>Being new to the group, I'm not ready to jump on that one yet. I will ask the moderator privately about the legal fund. </p> <p>I think this case is more complicated than your typical vendor-bashing lawsuit. I think Norwood stands a real good chance of collecting damages on this one.</p><p class="edit_text">EDITED: 28 Feb 2005 by DATAKES</p> <hr /><a name="a828_57"></a><p><b>From: UncleSteve</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=828.57">#57</a>]<br /> 28 Feb 2005<br /><b>To: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=828.56">#56</a>] 28 Feb 2005</p> <p>This case IS a bit more comples than just bashing.... The crux from what I have read over the months is that Norwood has been accused of competing with their distributors... ie, direct to end users. The group was discussing whether anyone should do business with a supplier that competes and sells to the end users.</p> <p>The most vocal saying that such suppliers should be avoided. 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