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<body> <h1>Full Version: <a href="https://www.engravingetc.org:443/archive/index.php?webtag=EE&msg=830.4">New braille method for signs</a></h1><a name="a830_4"></a><p><b>From: Fred (FREDQ1E)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=830.4">#4</a>]<br /> 16 Feb 2005<br /><b>To: logojohn</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=830.1">#1</a>] 16 Feb 2005</p> <p>LJ,<br /> The Raster Braille System with the inserted beads is much better looking, faster installation in some cases and when inserted correctly they are very harder to remove. This process requires a Site License available from Accent Signage or a representing Dealer (same price). I am a Dealer. And any sales always appreciated.</p> <p>I donÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¾Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢t know if a Xenetech specific font is available but you can specify under Misc\Braille Output Type. This will probably output a single point per dot.</p> <p>What is required to produce the new method? </p> <p>Any machine can drill the holes, and then you need to manually push Raster beads in. They have a hand held device to press one at a time in. Or you can change out the cutter to an AutoRaster to insert the beads (change out very time consuming). Only the Quality One engravers can do both in a operation with a dual spindle.</p> <p><br /> On our engraver the time to drill and insert a simple 15 bead sign 1 up 1:08. About 5 seconds per hole. On larger and matrixed signs the time decreases to 3 seconds. But the great thing is it is all done automatically. We run this on our 2448 and often do 10-40 signs at once.<br /> I will be displaying this in ARA Las Vegas. Come by for an awesome demo.</p> <hr /><p>Message 830.5 was deleted</p> <hr /><a name="a830_6"></a><p><b>From: Fred (FREDQ1E)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=830.6">#6</a>]<br /> 16 Feb 2005<br /><b>To: logojohn</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=830.5">#5</a>] 16 Feb 2005</p> <p>LJ,<br /> Just so you know. Most of the Braille signs we do are for other engravers or sign people. We don't solicit anymore. There may be someone in your area or if you wanted someone out of your area, we could help you. <br /> The site license is expensive, so when using this process add to the price of the sign. We paid for 1/2 of our license with the first job, that we never expected to get. Aim high when getting in to cover this expense, if you get it great, if not, oh well.<br /> Once your customers see this product, neither of you will want to go back to the routing method.</p> <hr /><a name="a830_7"></a><p><b>From: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=830.7">#7</a>]<br /> 16 Feb 2005<br /><b>To: Fred (FREDQ1E)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=830.6">#6</a>] 16 Feb 2005</p> <p>Fred,</p> <p>Does the old route-out method of producing braille meet current ADA standards?</p> <p>David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri<br /> DGL Engraving<br /> Port Hueneme, CA</p><p class="edit_text">EDITED: 16 Feb 2005 by DGL</p> <hr /><a name="a830_8"></a><p><b>From: Fred (FREDQ1E)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=830.8">#8</a>]<br /> 16 Feb 2005<br /><b>To: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=830.7">#7</a>] 16 Feb 2005</p> <p>I hope it does, I just did a couple for an existing job we did many years back. But I have heard that the route method is not preferred by the actual persons needing to read the sign. The routed dots are often not smooth and can be broken off. The recess is also a common complaint and when two lines are stacked it looks even less pleasing.<br /> Most all the specs I get specify the beads or a rounded dome.<br /> Extra work has come in just as the result of switching to this method. We now do the Raster as a method of choice. gets a lot of ohs and ahs. People with good sight like to touch them. We have 3-4 sign shops that have us doing samples and quotes very often. We get virtually all the jobs so doing a sample or giving them one of our extras, mistakes and ... is no big deal.</p> <hr /><a name="a830_9"></a><p><b>From: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=830.9">#9</a>]<br /> 16 Feb 2005<br /><b>To: Fred (FREDQ1E)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=830.8">#8</a>] 16 Feb 2005</p> <p>Fred,</p> <p>Thanks for the info. As you suggest, the person "reading" the sign should be at the core of a signmakers decision, whether to use the route-out or true braille method.</p> <p>Off-topic: The person you did the deep-route, into thick aluminum stock, LOVED the finished product. Thought I should mention that, since we rarely get the end-user's feedback, when doing wholesale work.</p> <p>Very masterfully done.</p> <p>David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri<br /> DGL Engraving<br /> Port Hueneme, CA</p><hr /><a name="a830_10"></a><p><b>From: Mike (EJPUBLISHER)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=830.10">#10</a>]<br /> 17 Feb 2005<br /><b>To: ALL</b></p> <p>The "Raster" method is not new. As other people in this thread have responded it involves using your computerized engraving system with a special cutter and a Braille font to drill holes in the sign substrate. Accent Signage offers the package, including the "Raster balls" in various colors and materials.</p> <p>The Engravers Journal published an article on the topic in May '02, which showed both the manual and automatic method of applying the beads. More importantly, our March issue which is being mailed now, contains an updated article on the ADA, including discussion about the raised letters, Braille, and the new ADA regulations. <font color="#FF0000">The ADA regulations changed in 2004 and a number of people are not aware of the new ANSI standard.</font></p> <p>As a matter of possible interest we published an article in October 04 discussing doing Braille signs using a laser engraving system. This is similar in concept to the "Raster" method, except you are using the laser to vector cut the Braille dot holes in a 1/32" substrate, then inserting the beads.</p> <p>Enjoy!</p> <hr /><p>Message 830.11 was deleted</p> <hr /><a name="a830_12"></a><p><b>From: sprinter</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=830.12">#12</a>]<br /> 17 Feb 2005<br /><b>To: Mike (EJPUBLISHER)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=830.10">#10</a>] 17 Feb 2005</p> <p>Actually it was around longer than that. I was a rep in 1996 for the original inventor, he sold the patent to the company offering it now. He sold the glass or plastic balls and a modified fish tank air pump that was rewired to make it a vacumn pump to pick up and hold the bead while you pressed it into the hole. The actual drill assembly was sold by a company in Texas , I think it was ARA awards.</p> <p>It's a great product if your doing ADA, but it's slow going.</p><hr /><a name="a830_13"></a><p><b>From: Birdman (TBIRD1957)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=830.13">#13</a>]<br /> 17 Feb 2005<br /><b>To: sprinter</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=830.12">#12</a>] 17 Feb 2005</p> <p>You are absolute correct.<br /> The original system was from DA Edgerton & Associates. He sold a<br /> product license & kit. I purchased my license in January 1998. He use to run a special each January. If you inquired about the "Edgerton Method" (Brite Dotte) during the year and did not purchase one, he would offer it to you about half off the regualar price. I paid $575.00 for my license. I think it is about $1500.00 now. I do think he use to do the ARA shows, and at one time he had a machine that would drill the hole and insert the raster, see attached JPG file. Artisan Engraving Supply in Arlington, Texas sells the drills and bits. Wouldn't even think of doing braille signs without it.</p> <p>T J Bird<br /> Bird's Rubber Stamps</p><hr /><a name="a830_14"></a><p><b>From: Stunt Engraver (DGL)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=830.14">#14</a>]<br /> 17 Feb 2005<br /><b>To: Birdman (TBIRD1957)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=830.13">#13</a>] 18 Feb 2005</p> <p>TJ,</p> <p>Can you please resize that image? It's only about 830 kb over our suggested limit of 50 kb :-)</p> <p>Thanks,</p> <p>David Lavaneri<br /> Forum Host/Moderator</p><hr /><a name="a830_15"></a><p><b>From: sprinter</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=830.15">#15</a>]<br /> 17 Feb 2005<br /><b>To: Birdman (TBIRD1957)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=830.13">#13</a>] 18 Feb 2005</p> <p>tbird,</p> <p>That's it. Dave only made a couple of his drill machines....they weren't that great. But using a computerized engraver the concept is fantastic.</p><hr /><p>Message 830.16 was deleted</p> <hr /><p>Message 830.17 was deleted</p> <hr /><a name="a830_18"></a><p><b>From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=830.18">#18</a>]<br /> 18 Feb 2005<br /><b>To: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=830.17">#17</a>] 18 Feb 2005</p> <p>Dave,</p> <p>I had to delete the post of yours with the reduced image for TJ.</p> <p>It locked me out of the forum twice.</p> <p>I think the %20, (hex for a space), messed things up. I use WinXP Pro and IE 6.00.2900.</p> <p>I was finally able to get back on by shutting down my DSL and restarting it.</p> <p> </p> <hr /><a name="a830_19"></a><p><b>From: Pedaler (ROYBREWER)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=830.19">#19</a>]<br /> 18 Feb 2005<br /><b>To: logojohn</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=830.1">#1</a>] 18 Feb 2005</p> <p>John ,<br /> Your query spawned so many responses that I was hesitant to add my comments; nevertheless...</p> <p>First, I am a distributor for Accent.</p> <p>Second, assuming you purchase the manual method (standard), you'll curse all of us for a few days till you "get the hang" of dropping in the balls. But it will be like riding a bike after a few days.</p> <p>Third, Yes the automatic feeder (as Q1's Fred discussed) works on any of your Xenetechs.</p> <p>Fourth: (David), the route out method is still very much compliant **if** the right cutter is used. That is, if the "bumps" are rounded and sized within specs.</p> <p> </p> <hr /><a name="a830_20"></a><p><b>From: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=830.20">#20</a>]<br /> 18 Feb 2005<br /><b>To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=830.18">#18</a>] 18 Feb 2005</p> <p>Harvey,</p> <p>I deleted and resized the 800+K image last night. After resizing I just kept the identification name it had during that process. I think you are very correct in that the %20 in the file name may have been the gremlin that caused our problem with the forum last night.</p> <p>I have attached the resized image with a more forum-friendly name. Close your eyes and we'll see what happens. 8-)</p> <hr /><a name="a830_21"></a><p><b>From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=830.21">#21</a>]<br /> 18 Feb 2005<br /><b>To: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=830.20">#20</a>] 19 Feb 2005</p> <p>It worked without a problem. Thanks.</p> <p> </p> <hr /><a name="a830_22"></a><p><b>From: ARAMember</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=830.22">#22</a>]<br /> 19 Feb 2005<br /><b>To: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=830.20">#20</a>] 19 Feb 2005</p> <p>Remember the older label makers that actually "pressed" the letter into the label, and caused a "Raised" effect? It was like a gun, and you spun the dial to the letter you wanted next, and simply squeezed the trigger?</p> <p>I saw braile done exactly like that in a local hospital. Made by the press method, and must have been done on the exact same gun contraption, because the plastic tape was identical to the tape that goes in my letter gun. I looked for over a month for the gun used to make the braile tape that was on the signs throughout the hospital..... but never found one! I even tried to find out who made the signs.... but no luck!</p> <p>??????? anyone seen one of these tape guns?</p> <p><br /> Justin</p><hr /><a name="a830_23"></a><p><b>From: Jim (RETAIL74)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=830.23">#23</a>]<br /> 19 Feb 2005<br /><b>To: Pedaler (ROYBREWER)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=830.19">#19</a>] 19 Feb 2005</p> <p>In my opinion, it takes too long to set up the auto-raster. It's great for big shops that can devote a machine to it. If you have to break it down and set it up multiple times, it's a pain.</p> <p>I would purchase the kit with Accent's Raster Pen. The pen has the small braille dots loaded into it and puts them in ten times as fast as that little fish pump dispenser. The pen is half the price of the auto-raster.</p> <p>Product pictures can be found on <a href="http://www.accentsignage.com">www.accentsignage.com</a>.</p><hr /><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="EE" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="830.24" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="submit1" class="button" value="Keep reading…" /></form><p align="center">Show messages:  <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=830.1">1-3</a>  4-23  <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=830.24">24-28</a></p> <h4><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=EE">Back to thread list</a> | <a href="llogout.php?webtag=EE">Login</a></h4> <h6>© 2024 <a href="http://www.beehiveforum.net/" target="_blank">Project Beehive Forum</a></h6> </body>